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Okay, so it's seven o'clock and with respect to our geological hazard abatement district meeting
There have been some questions that staff has not been able to address completely yet
And so we are postponing that meeting so we will schedule it for a future date and notice the public
So setting that meeting aside we come now to our San Lander City Council meeting
It is 7 p.m. And we will call this meeting to order today's October 5th
2026
Madam clerk, would you please take roll?
Council member James Aguilar present
Council member Victor Aguilar is it
Council member Fred Simon is
Present is present councilmember Sua Bowen present councilmember Dylan bolt here
Vice mayor Viviros Walton present and mayor Gonzales present. Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance stand if you're able to
Madam clerk here an announcement, please
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As for item number three, we did have a closed session
and there is no reportable action,
but there was a good discussion.
With respect to recognitions,
we have two recognitions here at our meeting today,
both deal with safety.
The first will be with respect to Crime Prevention Month
and the second, National Domestic Violence Awareness Month,
both safety-oriented.
So let's begin with our first presentation,
our first proclamation.
If I could have Chad Pennebaker,
and if you brought somebody, come on up.
Okay, so I'm gonna let you guys hold.
And so, is it true you're the longest-serving member
of First Presbyterian?
Currently alive, there you go.
So you know that you are welcome here in the chamber of both of you
So thank you for being here and for those who don't know first prez is located right there on Estadio
It's the first big church there on that first block
on Estadio and so thank you because what we are celebrating here is the collaboration between San Linea police department and a number of
organizations residents, etc
To support the distribution of cameras and other tools that have been used to help
Reduce the likelihood of crime and or to help us investigate once crimes have been committed. So thank you for
Participating in the program. So let's talk about October as
crime prevention month
So where is the vitality of sound later depends on the safety of our neighborhoods schools workplaces and communities and?
And whereas people of all ages must be made aware
of what they, as individuals, can do to prevent themselves,
their families, their neighborhoods, their workplaces
from being harmed by crime.
Because crime threatens a community's health,
prosperity, and the community's quality of life.
And whereas crime prevention initiatives
must not only include self-protection and security,
but must also promote collaborative efforts
to make neighborhoods safer for all ages.
And whereas, effective crime prevention programs excel
because of partnerships with public safety,
city staff, government agencies, civic groups,
schools, faith communities, businesses,
and community members as they together help to nurture
communal responsibility and shared pride.
And whereas it is important for cities, neighborhoods,
businesses and visitors to actively work together to solve and to prevent crime, and whereas
the goal of our citywide United for Safety initiative is to engage all community members
in pursuit of public safety, thereby helping to prevent and reduce crime, and also helping
to ensure that San Leandro remains a great place to live, work and play.
Now therefore, I, Juan Gonzalez III, Mayor of the City of San Leandro, do hereby proclaim
The month of October is crime prevention month in the city of San Leandro and urge all community members to invest in the power of prevention and work to keep San Leandro a safe and resilient community.
Would you like to say a word?
I'm Toby Nelson, the interim pastor at First Presbyterian Church in San Leandro.
And for 165 years, that church has partnered with the city
in bringing about advanced levels of peace and prosperity.
And we wanna continue that pledge on our part.
So blessings on you, Mayor.
Take a picture, we'll take a quick picture
if you can hold a proclamation.
Okay, now for our next proclamation,
another safety-oriented proclamation.
If I can have, I think it's Jessica Rogers, right?
Come on down, come on up.
I can't believe it's already been three years
since we made a video about domestic violence.
Where did three years go?
You know, when we talk about safety,
the safety begins at home, but for some people,
it's not safe at home.
So it's important that we maintain awareness
of that reality and that we not hide it,
that we not pretend like it's not there,
and that we find ways to give people a safe way out.
So let's be aware.
Here we go.
Whereas Domestic Violence Month is observed each October
to support those that have been affected
by domestic violence,
to recognize individuals and groups who have stepped forward
to break the cycle of violence,
and to recommit ourselves to ending domestic violence
in our community.
And whereas this event evolved
from the first day of unity, observed in October 1981,
by the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence,
with the intent to connect diverse groups
that were working to end domestic violence at the time,
and whereas our community is committed to connecting victims
to the resources they need,
from the emergency shelter and legal assistance,
to transitional housing support,
with providers such as such services in San Landro,
including building futures, save,
save alternatives to violent environments,
and the Family Law Prevention Center,
and whereas our community can also reduce
the likelihood of domestic violence
by promoting healthy relationships,
by speaking out when they see acts of violence,
and by standing with survivors and changing attitudes
that perpetuate the cycle of abuse.
And whereas, survivors of domestic violence
need to know that no one should live in fear because they feel unsafe in their
own home. They should know that they are not alone and they should know that
resources are available. Now therefore I, Juan Gonzalez III, the City of
San Leandro do hereby proclaim the month of October as Domestic Violence
Awareness Month in the City of San Leandro and encourage all community
residents to recognize the importance of speaking out against domestic violence
and to support local efforts to assist victims of these crimes in helping and
finding help and in healing those that need it. Thank You Mayor and City
Council. Always glad to be here every October to celebrate domestic violence
Awareness Month. We're building futures. We're located here in San Leandro. This is our home
city. You can find us across the street from the Kaiser if you ever know anybody that's
experiencing domestic violence. You can send them our way. We also have a safe house here,
so please do, you know, refer anybody, friends, family, you know, someone you randomly meet.
It's very common, unfortunately. Line by heart.
So the crisis line, remember this, it's easy to remember.
It's 1-866-A way out, A-W-A-Y-O-U-T.
So please remember that and share it with someone who might need the support.
So with that we will move to our consent calendar.
Is there an item from the consent calendar that a council member would like to pull?
if not we will go to public comment on this item. Seeing Councilmember Victor
Aguilar please. Thank you Mayor I would like to move the consent calendar. Okay
so we will have a motion from Councilmember Victor Aguilar in a moment
right after we take the public comment on this item. Do we have any public
comment? Mayor we have not received any comment cards for the consent calendar
but we do have one hand raised online. Okay so we will close public comment in
person. And let's open it up online. Our online speaker is Douglas Spaulding.
Good evening Council. What a wonderful day. My reading of the consent calendar has a
roof replacement for station 10 of the Alameda County Fire Station and I'm very thankful to see
this item. You know, all three of our fire stations are in dire need of repair, really
rebuilding them, and this is just really the tip of the iceberg. But to my mind, it truly
is a priority, one that we as a city have neglected for far too long. I remember Evelyn
Gonzalez telling me the story of how the the fire department kindly put aside a bond that they were
going to put on the ballot in favor of a school bond which which passed and of course that was
very important but the fire department never got the money and the fire houses are now more decrepit
than ever and given the concerns that many of my neighbors have up here in Vayo Vista and throughout
about the danger of fire.
And what I would oppose is a more likely disaster
when the big one truly does strike.
We need a fire department that has a solid foundation
in some place that we can turn to.
So I thank you for passing this in advance
and I look forward to, like, let's dig for more money.
To me, this is more money,
this is more important than money we can get from the ACTC
for all the roads in San Landro.
Definitely more important than millions and millions of
dollars that we could sink into Lake Chabot Road,
which are about the equivalent of what it would take
to rebuild one or two of these firehouses.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mayor.
There are no more hands raised online.
Okay, so we'll close public comment.
Chair, accept some motion from Council Member Aguilar
for the consent calendar,
specifically for the consent calendar
or just general public comment?
Those are the only cards I have for the consent calendar.
Okay, so at this point in time,
at this point in time, you submitted this card
that he is speaking about,
is that for general public comment?
Yes.
Okay, so we get to general public comment in a few minutes.
Sir, would you please step back?
we're not at number seven yet. We're on number five, sir. Yes, we're coming to number seven shortly.
Thank you. So we will be back to number seven in a minute. We'll be back to number seven. If you
could take a seat, we'll be there in just a few minutes. At this point in time, so the chair has
accepted a motion from Councilmember Victor Aguilar to approve the consent calendar recognizing
Councilmember James Aguilar. Yes, sir. I'd like to second the motion. So we got a motion and a second
from Victor Aguilar and then James Aguilar. Any further discussion? Seeing none please vote.
All votes are in and the motion carries unanimously.
Okay at this point in time we come to the city manager and city attorney reports. I don't believe
we have anything today looking left and looking right so we are set on that front. Now we come
to item number seven and I do believe that we do have a public comment on non-agenda items today.
I do remind the public that the subject matter should be that which is within the jurisdiction
of our City Council. Let's go ahead and open up public comment in person.
Thank you, Mayor. We have received two comment cards. The first speaker is Mike Katz-Lacape
followed by Leo T. West. Good evening, Honorable Mayor, members of the City Council. My name is
Mike Katsakabe. So San Leandro's floc transparency portal specifically states that people are not
detected by our cameras. It states that only vehicles and license plates are detected.
However, that's a lie. Reports on September 16th of this year show and confirm that floc license
plate readers detect people in addition to vehicles and license plates. I'm guessing the
the City Council didn't know when they approved the contract. I wonder if the
San Leandro police knew before I informed this formed them about this
two weeks ago. And in case you didn't hear the Roseville Police Department
did an analysis of its flock alerts and found that in 2023 and in 2024 flock
generated 1427 alerts for vehicles identified as stolen or linked to
felony crimes. 1011 of those alerts or 71% were inaccurate
because of a license plate misread by the same types of cameras that we have
installed. Since our police department doesn't track this information, we have
no idea how inaccurate the flock cameras and San Leandro are. Flock has claimed
that as a 96% accuracy and unfortunately there's been no independent analysis of
the accuracy of their cameras. If the accuracy rate is correct, that means that
about 33,000 times each month our flock cameras in San Leandro get a license
wrong. If the accuracy rate for alerts is similar to Roseville's that means
that 18,000 hot list alerts each month are incorrect. Now a few weeks ago the
current mayor said in a meeting we do not conduct mass surveillance in the
city of San Leandro full stop. This left me confused had I missed us getting rid
of the cameras? Do we not keep track of every vehicle passing by San Leandro's
AI powered surveillance cameras? According to the Cambridge dictionary
surveillance is defined as quote the careful watching of a person or place
specifically by the police because of a crime that has happened or is expected to
happen so we are definitely doing your time has elapsed the next speaker is
Leo T West I work for 20 years as a present inspector until 2020 when the
California one-party system decided to replace us with a present captain
appointed by the registrar of voters a partisan appointment. This election we
had the opportunity to eliminate some of the fraud by voting yes from Proposition
39. However, we still have the biggest problem the mayor ballots out dropped
all over the lake and addresses the people who no longer live there at that
place or are dead. They may not violate at least two election rules, the security of
the vote. Your vote is in the envelope, your name is on it. Where is the secrecy? Then
the other rule, the custody of the ballot. The ballots are handled by mail carriers,
post office workers, workhouse workers, etc. People who are not sworn election
officials. By passing Proposition 29 we are solved part of the problem but the
fight to eliminate election fraud must continue. Yes on 39. Thank you. May are
there no more cards from in the room? So we will close public comment in person.
do you have online hands raised yes we have two hands raised online let us
proceed to open public comment online our first online speaker is Douglas
Spalding thank you city clerk well I have been surprised by the efficient
pace of meeting since you all came back from your your August recess but I
believe it belies a slower pace of the work while there seems to be so much to
get done. Maybe it's just the election season, everybody's you know too busy
doing their own thing, but I wish we were attending to a few other things. I think
first and foremost we need to get our data center protocols in place. The
recent conditional use permit approved for 3199 Alvarado has heightened
concern over data centers. Now I heard the mayor say at a forum a few weeks ago,
don't worry about it, data centers are never coming to San Leandro, we don't have space.
And yet he actually invited everyone to Google it, I did, and the 3199 Alvarado is 14.9 acres,
which I noticed is larger than the data center currently being built at Eden Landing in Hayward,
which comes at 11.3. So I must say that wasn't a very reassuring exercise for me. I think it's
incumbent on you to first pass a moratorium to give ourselves space and time to really think
this through. Two, I think we need specific zoning requirements for data centers so they don't come
under the radar as well what our current warehouse is a some kind of special utility or an Hayward
and office space. And I think approval of any such project really should require council
approval. It should come to all of you. Another category I'm really concerned about is the
postponement of further housing protections, which seemed stalled until March of 2028.
And yet, you know, so many families are struggling months a month, right, just trying to hold
on to their housing. So thank you, and I'll listen to the rest of your meeting now.
Thank you. The next online speaker is Alvaro Ramos. I wanted to start with a reminder to the
San Leandro voters. So you better get a pen, some paper, it's time to take some notes about the five
bad propositions on your November 3 ballot. Proposition 39 rigged elections by stealing
your voting rights. If you forget your ID card at home, then you cannot vote. We already use ID
cards to register to vote. Prop 39 applies restrictions to all voters to keep us from
voting in American elections. Proposition 43 worsens cuts to public services by restricting
local taxes from funding public services that our local communities need. In Prop 43, the
broad category of local governments hurts public services provided by cities, counties,
special districts and school districts. The consequence of Prop 43 will be cuts to police,
fire, 911, street maintenance, senior services, libraries, public education and parks and
creation. Proposition 42 and Proposition 41 both trick voters to stop the billionaire tax in Prop
40. If Prop 42 passes, then the billionaires do not pay their wealth taxes. If Prop 41 passes,
then wealthy people do not pay billionaire taxes. It's time for rich people to pay their fair share
of taxes. Finally, Proposition 45 deregulates CEQA, Environmental Reviews on Destructive
Projects by Private Developers. CEQA was signed by Governor Ronald Reagan to protect California's
natural environment. Prop 45 pollutes our environment and shortens the lifespans of
Californians. Vote no on the five bad ones. Thank you. Your time has elapsed. The next
on line speaker is Leslie.
Hi, can you hear me?
Yes.
Awesome, hi, this is Leslie Watson.
I spoke at the last city council meeting to all of you
about the feral cat situation in my neighborhood.
I just wanted to say thank you very much to Councilwoman Bowen
for requesting to add something that's sustainable
for the city onto the agenda.
I wanted to let you guys know that I ended up reaching out
to Lieutenant Bell, but he did let me know
the city is working on it. So I'm just, you know, passing along some feedback as a citizen.
It would be nice if I could hear about things instead of me having to reach out when I reach
out for help. But I'm still really grateful that things are happening. But I do just want to
remind you all that me and my neighbors are still cleaning up cat feces every single day.
And I'm expecting another litter to be born any day now. So the problem still exists. But I'm
I'm really looking forward to seeing where we go from here.
I hope you all have a wonderful night.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Mayor, there are no more hands raised online.
Thank you for everyone's public comments.
We are closing public comment
and moving forward with our agenda.
We don't have a public hearing today for presentations,
but we do have action item today.
So at this point in time,
we will move to our action item, which is item 10A.
and we do have please Lieutenant Ted Mund here to present.
Good evening Madam Cameron, Mayor Gonzalez,
council members and other city officials.
I am Lieutenant Ted Mund
with Stanley, the Police Department
and tonight we're here to implement
or requesting approval to implement
the Peregrine Data Integration Platform.
This project is about making better use of technology
and info that the city already has.
We currently have important information spread
across several separate systems.
Paragon connects these systems
and makes the info more useful.
The goal is to have better info, faster access,
and better operational decision-making.
I also have Tim Driver with Paragon here
for later questions.
So what is Paragon?
Paragon is a data integration platform
specifically designed for public safety agencies.
It does not replace what we already have,
or the public safety software we currently have,
or other systems.
It brings what we have again into one environment.
It allows us to search across all of the
Alivar data sources instead of each one of them separately.
This system helps us identify connections
between people, locations, incidents, records,
not only our records, but also through secure connections
with outside agencies we have.
and again, this is not a surveillance system,
this just analyzes the data that we already have.
So like most modern police departments,
we operate multiple technology systems.
These systems don't talk to each other.
Crime analysts and detectives have to search
several different databases to answer questions
they may have about their investigations
or crime that's going on in the city.
Peregrine addresses these gaps
between these separate systems.
So what's unique about peregrine is the ability
to intake data and sort it in an easy searchable format.
So as you see, we currently have Tyler technology
for our computer-aided dispatch and records management system.
We have Axon for our digital evidence,
including body-worn cameras and dash cameras.
We have Lefta, which we use for internal affair,
use-of-force reviews, pursuit reviews, and complaints.
And then we have laser fish, where old reports are on film
and very difficult to access.
And again, this doesn't get rid of our current system.
It just helps us access the information in one spot.
So what are the capabilities?
So it has an advanced searching where
you can search, do an intuitive search experience
across siloed systems and data types.
It does have AI capabilities where you can use it as a chat function where you can ask
it a question.
This then can sort, graph, and show the question that you may ask.
It has mapping and relationship analysis.
If we know that Joe Smith is the person wanted in our crime, we can see who he's been associated
with, not only just in that crime, but other things.
ability to link our records and show associates the co-conspirators not only
from our agencies but the outside agencies. It also allows us to visualize
crime activities in their geographic spaces and another big thing that we
have is the data duplication. With our current system we are looking that it is
outdated and we're looking to go to a new CAD and RMS system. This will help
us deduplicate and then condense down the data that should save us money. So
what are the public safety and operational benefits? This is where
the technology translates into operational value. Identifying leads and
connections more quickly and reducing time in searches. One of the things that
is asked by the council is for us to be efficient. This is a way that we can be
so. It allows our patrol to do better and to access better and relevant
information before and during calls for service. It can help our crime analysts
identify trends, patterns, locations, and departmental activity. For supervisors
command staff, it allows better operational awareness and improved
statistical reporting. One thing that it does not have, it does not have facial
recognition. So one example of this would be to get more crime information out quickly to
council districts. We can add a layer in this which we currently cannot in our current records
management system to break it down by district. See what where the stolen cars are going on in
your district, what time, what day over whatever period that may get asked. Another really unique
example that I saw was with the Paragon Pro, which is uses the AI chat function, is you
can it was asked how many traffic accidents happened in the school zones over a year period.
It was able to do so and break it down not only by the school, but also during the time
that schools are in service, so in session. So it excluded breaks, it excluded some period.
It also broke it down with how close it was to the school.
And a third example would be that our local agency, Conquer PD, used it to help track
mental health calls and determine when their alternative response unit should be deployed,
helping them cut down on the psychiatric holds that the police department actually had to
do itself.
The goal is not to give our employees more data,
it's to give them information faster and in one spot.
So privacy and security are important considerations
with any platform like this.
Paragon does not generate data,
only sorts through what we have.
Again, this is not a surveillance platform,
this is a historical data platform.
Paragon, the company completed our own IT questionnaire,
which was vetted and cleared by our IT department.
Paragon access is controlled based on an employee's role
and authorizations, which we set.
Anything that it integrates with,
it automatically adapts that roles and permissions
from that platform into the system itself.
So somebody that only had access to their own body camera,
just because it may get integrated with Axon,
does not mean that they will have access to it.
And we maintain control over the usage, the data sharing, and retention policies.
We decide what is shared with outside agencies, not Peregrine or the outside agency.
And lastly with this, it is CJIS compliant, and has been set up to follow all of the current
California laws, including Senate Bill 54.
So human oversight, Peregrine is a tool to assist our personnel, not replace their judgment.
all output is traceable back to the original source.
The results can be reviewed and verified,
and it's technology that helps us find
and understand the information faster,
so our personnel remain responsible
for what we do with that information.
So for the financial impact in the current agreement,
the proposed initial agreement is three years
and not to exceed $405,000.
We will have two optional one year renewals
for up to 300,000 for a maximum of a five year agreement
for $705,000.
This will be funded through the frontline funds
with no impact to the general fund.
The contract was not posted along with the staff report
as it allows the city manager
to negotiate the finalized contract.
So what is the Supplemental Law Enforcement Services Fund?
These are state public safety funds dedicated to support frontline law enforcement.
It's not intended to supplement and not replace our local funding.
This cannot be used for everything but can be used for equipment, technology, training, and crime provision.
So I'm asking for a recommendation to adopt a resolution approving sole source procurement with the Paragon Technologies Inc.
Authorize the city manager to execute a consulting services agreement for a peregrine
software platform approve a hundred and five thousand for the initial three-year term and three hundred for
two one-year renewal options for a total cost of seven hundred and five thousand dollars
And then appropriate the seven hundred and five thousand dollars from the frontline
Grant account to the designated police department account
Thank you for your presentation at this point. We will take
questions from council members. We'll then go to public comment and then come
back for deliberation amongst council members. So we will begin with council
member Victor Aguilar. Thank you mayor and thank you Lieutenant Munn for the
presentation. I just had a few questions. So with regards to what exactly will
Paragon have access to? You mentioned RMS, CAD, ALPR, body cameras, video evidence.
What about arrest records or any other databases?
Yeah, so we will have access to any reports that we generate, which is also arrest reports.
We do have the option to integrate with the Alameda County Sheriff's Agency, which would
allow us arrest reports for the general county.
But their permissions of what they share to us and what we share to them is set by the
agencies. Okay thank you. My next question is you mentioned on slide six
with regards to facial recognition that this is not used. My
question is will facial recognition be used either now or in the future and the
reason why I ask is in a interview with Peregrine there was a reporter who said
that there is facial recognition used in the technology
to help identify people that were apprehended
and the police department were told,
you have the wrong suspect,
and that was because it was the use of AI facial recognition.
It was my understanding that
Paragon does not use facial recognition.
I could ask for Mr. Shriver
to just confirm that with you as well.
Thanks Lieutenant and thank you council members.
Peregrine has never deployed facial recognition.
There are other companies that have
that he may be referring to,
but Peregrine has never deployed facial recognition.
There hasn't been any reports of facial recognition
being deployed by Peregrine leading
wrong arrests or anything like that.
So I'm not sure, I mean, yeah, I'll leave it there, yeah.
Thank you and my next question,
I think maybe for the city manager,
why was this a sole source procurement
and what is a specific legal justification
and what competing products did the city evaluate
when coming to a decision to utilize Peregrine?
So I'll start with a legal justification question
and see if that answers,
and so we'll start with the city attorney,
and then let's see where it goes.
Thank you Mayor, thank you Council Member Aguilar.
The justification was found and described
in the staff report as under California public contract code
section 3400 subsection C or a subsection C of a section 3400 and
under that provision which is also identified in the in the staff report and
in the resolution is that the council has to make a finding and in this
particular instance in the recitals staff identified that because
paragrind systems is my understanding tailoring the software to interact with
work with the city's systems. It's a tailored system that's from one source.
In essence, they're the ones that are providing the integration. And my
understanding and staff can confirm is that that's their unique skill or that's
the uniqueness of the product. And so I will turn to both city manager and
in police department to confirm that that is in fact the case.
That condition is met.
Yes, sir.
Yeah.
So again, that is what is highly unique about Peregrine
is it's able to ingest a bunch of different data sources
and tailor to what we need.
The other is the connectivity to the Bay Area agencies.
We are one of the last agencies in Alameda County.
I know that as of last week, the Oakland Police Department
just went forward with their Peregrine contract,
and they will be deploying it as well.
It gives us the connectivity with not only the Bay Area,
but 150 California agencies to be able
to access their data as well and to be able to share
if it's whatever our sharing capabilities will be.
Gotcha, thank you, and to piggyback onto that,
my question was, will San Leandro data be searchable
or accessible by other law enforcement agencies?
you said yes, and specifically can it be shared with ICE,
CBP, DHS, or other federal immigration authorities?
It will not be shared with ICE.
It does follow, Paragon platform does follow,
Senate Bill 54 when it comes to sharing the records
with ICE, and we will not be sharing that.
We will, yes, but sharing with other local agencies,
and what that will be consist of,
that will be determined.
Thank you.
And Mayor, one more question.
This is my last question.
Please.
Thank you.
And what prevents this from becoming
a regional surveillance system?
And which agencies can search information
about people who are on suspects under crime?
We decide what data we share.
All of the data that we share is our data.
Paragram has no control over that data.
They only, we set the parameters
of anything that we are wanting to share
or receive from other agencies as well.
Thank you for answering my questions.
Thank you, Mayor.
Those are my questions.
Okay, we will proceed with Councilmember Bowen.
Thank you, Mayor, and thank you Lieutenant-Men
for the presentation, and also Councilmember Aguilar
for those questions.
Lots of similar ones on my end as well.
In terms, I understand the operational benefits of this.
I think it makes a lot of sense,
and it's really important that technology helps us
use the data and the information we already have
that speaks to each other.
When we talk I know that we had that funnel of the different data sources that would be integrated
Will we be able to integrate other data sources right now?
We have for example the CAD system RFP that's out and so whatever system comes in
Is it assumed that they would all just be integrated as well?
Yes, correct. If we if we do change say the public safety the cat or our mess
Again, my understanding is again. What makes
Paragon unique is their ability to ingest information from everywhere. So yes, we do believe that there will be
Either substitutions or additional integrations down the road. Okay, great
It's mentioned that this is great that we could there's more barrier connectivity or one of the last ones and
We decide what we share out and then we make that agreement can another agency then share out information we shared with them
Yeah, yes, I mean ultimately if they if they do take screenshots of what they what we share that they have the ability to disseminate
We we don't have the control. We currently do share our
Our preliminary or basically our case reports with crime chaser
This has been for years that we have been sharing as well and haven't had any of our to our knowledge any of our reports
Unlawfully shared but again that that's based on that user of a different department that we don't have control over
So
There has not been you're saying that there hasn't been an instance where that has happened that we know of
But that would happen even without paragrain
It was it would just be like if we share information with another agency they could share out do we as a city have a policy?
around what can be shared out once we share information.
This is just something that was just popped into my head. So I apologize for that.
I'm not sure when it comes to a policy from the city or through the Police Department of
anything like that.
Okay, I will noodle on that. The other thing that was mentioned was the use of AI and AI chatbot and the
reality is that
any AI is only as good as the information it gets.
And so I'm thinking about the accuracy of the information.
What are sort of the checks and balances around that?
I mean, I guess, is it just a matter of taking
whatever data is already in there
and however accurate that is and just coming up with reports,
but then it must pull like themes,
and like when it makes a little chart,
it assumes a lot of things.
And so if you don't know what questions to ask it,
It's not gonna give you the answers necessarily as accurately.
Yeah, and that's, you're correct on that.
So it, from my understanding as Peregrine was trained
specifically for law enforcement
when it comes to crime trends, not only that,
but also the use of force reviews
and it does not generate its own information.
And then all of the, where it pulls from,
it will give citations and source locations
of where it's pulling that information.
So every single one of the collision reports,
like in that situation where I talked about
the collisions in front of schools,
it will give you every single report number
that's associated in where it's pulling that information.
Okay, thank you.
And you mentioned that whatever permissions
officer has is the only information
that they would be able to pull from the searches.
What are the parameters that ensure that's what's happening, that you can work around
that?
Quite simply, we can layer whatever security or controls you choose as an agency over that
data.
So the minimum of that would be the underlying sources, permissions.
So for example, take body-worn camera standard in most departments that a patrol officer
can see their own body-worn camera, but they can't see their colleague's body-worn camera.
Paragon will mirror that such that even in Paragon if you look at your own body
worn camera you'll be able to see it but you won't be able to see it in the
colleagues. And then Paragon allows you to build more permissioning on top of
that. So if you want more granular permissioning on top of that so say hey
I'm a patrol officer but I'm a part of the specialized unit so I can see this
but not this. This piece of data from a rest record but not that one. So Paragon
gives you kind of the baseline of what your existing systems have and then
layer on top of that an additional set of capabilities to pick and choose who
can see what within your agency. And since you asked before, just going back
to the data sharing piece, it's important to note that while the
lieutenant's absolutely right, before or after peregrine, someone could take a
screenshot or a picture of something as an officer and share it, peregrine does
allow you to fully control any use of your data in peregrine. So if you're
sharing at San Leandro and you choose to share records with, say, Oakland Police
Department, you can choose within Oakland Police Department whether they
have the ability to download or export any of that information out of
peregrine. So you do still control the movement of that data and what we
generally find is that for many of our agencies using peregrine to share data
they have far more control over the sharing of that information than they
would have previously because police officers have been sharing data and
working together for a long long time. But in peregrine if you're sharing it
that way you can both control what that officer can and can't do with it within
in the platform.
You can also trace exactly who has seen it,
who's clicked on it.
So if someone at Oakland has seen it, looked at it,
used it, you'll be able to see that as well.
So you can both control what they can do with it,
but also be able to track their use of it after the fact.
Great.
I just have one follow-up question.
Love that you'd be able to trace it and see,
and so then the question for me is,
we always talk about trying to use these services
or it's gonna be more efficient,
more cost saving, all the things.
Is there a plan for us to get a report back
on the council of like how it's been used,
the audit of who's accessed it,
if there were any potential issues that arose.
I mean, operationally sounds like, okay, this makes sense,
but what does that actually look like
in terms of implementation over the next year?
City Manager, please.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, thank you, Council Member Bowen.
I think it's an excellent question.
We'd have to see what that report would look like,
only because your question was down in the details
of things we may not want in the public forum,
especially when we were talking about public safety
and police departments.
So I'd have to dig into what does a report out look like
in some of those things I'm sure we wouldn't be able
to provide that were along your line of questioning.
Understood, thank you.
Just because it's right on that point,
do we currently audit access to information?
Is that part of what we do routinely?
Do we do internal audit to assess who's accessing
what information right now?
Is that something that we need to develop?
Yeah, I wouldn't be able to speak on that myself.
That's out of my pay grade on that one.
Well, great, great answer.
What I can say mayor is that there have been instances
when through other situations
we have found access to information
that shouldn't have happened,
but that happens outside the police department
anywhere, people will find ways to do things
they shouldn't be able to do.
Okay, because my real question is just to just core process
because I think that's Council Member Bowen
who's digging into that.
And so let's take that discussion offline,
but let's not lose that point for further discussion.
Coming to Vice Mayor, please.
Thank you for your time.
I have a series of questions.
Some of them will focus on the peregrine letter of Seoul.
Let me see what it's actually called.
The Seoul source letter.
And then I have some accountability questions
that I'd like to ask.
I'd like to step back a little bit and ask,
Does the city of San Leandro have AI policy?
Mayor, if I may?
Please proceed.
Thank you.
Thank you for that wonderful question.
Currently, the city does not have an AI policy,
but we do have an AI working group
that is led by our chief technology officer,
Alicia Hernandez, who has a draft of an AI policy
that has been provided to the labor groups
and working with HR and assistant city manager.
So we have one that I think is about 98% done.
We just need everyone to say okay to it.
Thank you.
And I guess the policy is still in development.
I'm just struggling to see like how much we,
cause some of my questions have to do with like,
actually, I'll just leave that there.
So we don't have an AI policy.
What is the problem or problems that we're trying to solve
the use of this technology? So we, as a police department, we currently do not have any kind
of crime analysis technology whatsoever. Using our current records management system, it's
a very clunky very it does not graph anything out. So what this solves is a it takes in
all of the information to one one space again, rather than searching like a again, a crime
analyst or detectives are having to search multiple different systems, trying to figure
out the information they have. So it helps with our efficiency of searching one spot,
and it helps the link analysis as well as kind of linking, again, like I talked about it,
potential co-conspirators of things. And without doing data mining ourselves,
we would not be able to do so. Okay. I'll move on to some accountability questions. I have
four of them. If I run out of time, I'll get myself back on the queue to ask specific questions
around the sole source letter. What are the guardrails to prevent data leaks or hallucinations while
using the chat box? Yeah, thank you for the question. So there's two separate pieces here.
One is the data leaks question and one is the hallucinations question. So on the data leaks front,
the way Peregrine is built is that, so the AI that we offer is optional. So Peregrine's kind
of foundations just to kind of separate the two is what the lieutenant's been
speaking about which is the integration of these data sources into one place
where they can be searched, mapped, create dashboards, etc. The AI capabilities
have been layered on top of those and those basically allow you to use kind
of natural language to interact with the data that otherwise you'd have to click
buttons to get through. That data is permissioned underneath the AI according
to what we were speaking about before,
by role, by whatever level of specificity that you so desire,
that AI sitting on top of it follows specifically
those permissioning rules.
So the AI can only seek out and search through data
that that user has access to.
So the AI is permissioned the same way
that user is permissioned.
And so depending on the user, that permission structure
will be different.
And we've built Peregrine particularly
for the law enforcement context with this strict permissioning
in mind.
So that's the, on the data leakage side,
the AI follows those underlying permissions.
And then on the hallucination side,
we have spent a tremendous amount of time,
and what Paragon does is we don't actually
train our own models, we use existing models,
but what we do is we create underlying prompts
that shape the way the model can interact
with a police officer, and that,
several, there's several different pieces to this,
but one example of the work we've done behind the scenes
to make sure this is applicable in a law enforcement context
is to, for example, make sure that it does not give an answer
if it doesn't have very high confidence,
to make sure that it cannot answer certain types of questions
that aren't permissible.
So, for example, there have been concerns
around predictive policing.
It cannot offer you a predictive policing answer.
It is blocked with guardrails
from being able to do those kinds of searches.
So we've gone through and put in guardrails
through work with our law enforcement partners
to make sure it can and can't do certain kinds of searches.
And to the hallucinations point,
one of the ways we've done that is by making sure
that the answers you get back will only be given
if there's a very high confidence.
And so we've done a lot of work to make sure
that that confidence piece is very different
than what you would interact with
with commercial artificial intelligence
that you might have used.
Just one follow-up question to that
and I'll get back on the queue.
How do you determine confidence levels?
So we work, we spent a lot of time
before we rolled this out with customers.
And then early days with a few select customers,
actually testing the answers.
So asking a multitude of questions
of all different kinds,
questions that we wanted it to be able to answer accurately,
questions that we wanted it to not answer at all,
and testing those against the reality
of how the model came back unanswered.
And so, you know, years, months, years of testing it,
both manually as well as continuing to test it
ongoing fashion as we update it.
Okay, my time is up.
I'll get back on the queue.
Thank you for your time.
And I just have one more with that as well as,
and forgive me, I should have said,
but the Paragon Pro is where the AI function,
the chatbot incorporates.
Not every member of the police department
is gonna have that.
It's gonna be for our crime analysts,
our detectives, and select administrators as well.
So this is not gonna,
the AI portion of it is not gonna be widespread.
And then we do have, is it Lieutenant Broas?
Lieutenant Broas.
Yes, sir.
Thank you, Council Member Bell.
And I just wanna get back to your question real quick.
Yes, we do conduct audits.
And that's also one of the benefits
of having a hybrid oversight model
is our IPA working in conjunction with the CPRB.
We provide stats to them, access to our databases.
They also are conducting audits of our data as well.
Not only what we're doing,
who's looking into the data that we have, so.
Please, please just punch yourself in.
Ken, does that mean then we would also be
including an audit for ParaGreen then,
as well as part of that?
I would assume so, but I'll defer to the tenant mind.
That would be something that I would,
I think this council would also want to include
as we do with Flock and the other, the data.
Okay, that makes sense, thank you.
Thank you.
I think we will revisit that explicitly
at a future meeting.
you feel like you've got the guidance and you can just proceed but I'm pretty
sure you're gonna get pretty much unanimous consent on that with that
councilmember bolt you are next please proceed yes thank you for the
presentation appreciate the effort to try and get as much information one spot
to make it easier to digest for the officers in the field I did you said SP
54 a couple times just be 34 correct. I believe I
Believe 34 was at the license plate reader systems. I could be off and I just did a little AI search
and I said it was about plastic and then I did sp 34 and it was about dated base sharing for law enforcement officers, but
That doesn't matter. That's not we're here to talk about that's my ride on the sharing with ice
And then I believe
okay, so
One thing that that I am nervous about that I kind of feel like I'm hearing
from everybody else is how this where once it comes into the system who can
have access coming out and it sounds to me by what I'm hearing is that anybody
who has the Paragon platform is going to be able to share is that not true so how
How would the sharing capabilities are set up beforehand?
So basically it's with the information that it's a more generalized with, we're going
to share, we've, we've selected, we've only agreed to share with other agencies case reports.
So when the case reports come up, then it makes it available for the outside agencies
and, um, who's able to in that agency to see it.
So, um, it's not selective to per user of Peregrine with, with San Leandro is I want
to share this this police report with an officer at Oakland because he had
questions about a similar crime that information with the with what reports
we share that set up beforehand and then what of that reports actually shared is
also set up in those parameters so so if we go put some information in now or the
last ones in then the other agencies are gonna have to go back and ask if they
they could use our information?
No, they'll just have access to search for it again.
So they can do continuous searches.
Let's say if they, in the situation,
they knew that we had a robbery that occurred earlier today.
They may search for it, you know,
just by typing in robbery San Leandro
into their search function.
It may not be in there yet.
Based on how often we share,
it gets replicated in the servers
and the report servers with them.
It may not be accessible right away, but if they do that search in another two hours
They may be able to find it then does that make sense?
It does but then that's going back to what I'm asking is
How are we allowing the information to get out if it's just accessible on the platform?
If we're just putting it in and then someone else in Oakland or Dublin or another city can go in and access
How are we controlling that access?
Yes, councilmember, thank you for the question. So as a starting point, if you all as San
Leandro decide not to share with anyone, you can do most of the things that the
lieutenant spoke about. So you can integrate all your data, you can create
dashboards, you can run searches, you can use, for those who have access, can use
the artificial intelligence capabilities. So those are all out of the box and no
one else can see that. Over time, you all can choose, at any given time, to share
with one other agency five other agencies 50 other agencies and you all
get to control what that other agency is how much data gets shared with them and
so just to give you an example I mentioned body we're in camera earlier
most agencies don't share all their body we're in camera with other agencies
that's not standard practice most agencies don't share the entirety of
their arrest records they share certain parts because they understand that
certain pieces need to be shared certain pieces don't and so within Paragon you
can decide we just want to share 911 calls and arrest records and we just
want to share these fields from those 911 calls and those arrest records but
nothing else. I mean certainly some of the data you will have in the system
such as your internal affairs records would never see the light of day in
another agency and in fact within the agency would only be restricted to a
select few people in the agency that could see that. And so it's really
critical that for again first and foremost the data you're integrating is
is yours to decide, and from day one,
many of our agencies start by sharing no data,
and then you can turn on gradually
how many other agencies you wanna share data with.
I think the lieutenant mentioned earlier,
we have 150 customers up and down the state of California.
Many of our customers here in the Bay Area
only share with other Bay Area agencies,
and some share with five, 10, 15, 20,
so it's entirely up to you which data gets shared
and with whom.
And then once it's shared with that entity,
is there a possibility that they can now,
somebody else sharing with them can get it,
a piggyback style.
No. Impossible.
Impossible.
So if one of the agencies out there is sharing data
in a way that can get to whoever, the boogeyman,
the boogeyman can't get to our information.
So just to take an example,
if you all decided to share with Alameda County,
but you did not have sharing turned on with Oakland,
but Oakland and Alameda had data sharing turned on.
Oakland would not be able to search your data
searching Alameda's data. So those are still cordoned off such that Alameda
County would be able to search within that cordoned off amount of data but
Oakland would not be able to see that because they would not be permissioned.
So that that's how we control it. So it would be controlled entirely by you all
you and again to the auditing piece and tracking piece you all will be able to
audit and see those records and see who has looked at your data and who hasn't.
So you'll be able to confirm for yourself that those permissions are
are working the way they appropriately should.
Okay, I'll get back in the queue, I know I'm up.
Okay, I'm gonna do a couple of questions
and I'll come to the Vice Mayor next.
Just to confirm, the $150,000 that you listed
in the option years, is that the license fee
or does that include consulting?
The numbers you see here today are all in.
So the annual license fee is inclusive
of implementation, training, consulting,
all the work we do on the ground to set it up
to ongoing support training, what have you.
approximately approximately how many hours of support does that include
there's no limit on the number of hours we don't we don't offer a number of
hours there's a setup process we will do as many hours as required to get you all
fully operational to reach the outcomes that were agreed to and then you receive
ongoing training that training varies depending on the department's desire for
training some departments want to start by just training their command staff and
roll training out later others want to train everyone on patrol and
investigators and analysts and so that could look like far far more hours. You
are not gated at all on the number of hours that you decide to use. So back to
Lieutenant Mund. So the vice mayor had asked about outcomes and what's the
problem that we're solving. I'm particularly curious about the measures
of success because we all talk about efficiency that's great but how are you
gonna measure this? Well I think with just documentation and then sharing the
stories of success with council like how we do it with we had done it with
automated license plate readers in the past pretty much telling exactly what
good it's done for us. I'm sure that there there could be other metrics that
are used but that's that's all I can think of at this moment. So we'll revisit
that in the comments section.
And then do we sign agreements with other agencies?
So there's an actual agreement
on how they can use the data, et cetera.
Yes, Mayor, we will be exploring MOUs with,
I'm sorry, will be or we have.
We have not yet, we will be.
Okay. Yeah.
And then just to dovetail back for a second,
we also need to be CJIS compliant.
So federal compliant, federal audits will happen as well
on a yearly basis.
So thank you for giving me a second just to interject that.
Thank you.
I have heard the statement several times, this is for Peregrine.
Peregrine does not generate its own information.
So I'm really sensitive to that.
Can you explain what you mean by that statement?
Paragrin does not generate information.
I would say Paragrin does not collect new information.
I think there are ways in which you could understand
what we do.
I'll give you an example of what might be considered
generating information, just to kind of mince words here.
Paragrin may calculate the time that it takes
for an officer from a 911 call
to the time they arrive on scene.
That may, they might have gotten deployed at 9am
and arrive on scene at 907.
and Peregrine will calculate the difference between those
and tell you, hey, that was a seven-minute gap.
So you could argue that that is generating data,
but it's really calculating data using the primitives
that exist.
What we generally mean by that is
we don't collect any new information.
So unlike other systems that may be doing surveillance
or may be going outside of the department
and bringing new data to the agency,
we are working solely with the package of data
that the department.
So let me explore a specific example and you can kind of tell me yes or no.
So one would think that perhaps this system could be used to identify likely suspects.
So there's a whole bunch of data out there and based on some analytic algorithm, we're
identifying likely suspects.
Does the system do that?
system will not on its own identify a likely suspect but it will respond to a
question such as or you can use it to identify you know for example a suspect
might be someone that was in the vicinity of a 9-1 call and then there's
some record that from a body-worn camera image or from some other interaction
that they were in the vicinity. So it can answer a question that an officer may
have that may lead to someone being a suspect but it will not on its own
generate the conclusion that someone is a suspect of a crime. Okay so you've just
opened up a whole can of worms but I'm going to go to the vice mayor next.
I'm continuing my accountability questions two out of four. So how will
this be used to inform decision-making on public safety operations and when I
define operations I want to kind of talk about two things. The presentation
includes some scheduling and kind of some kind of operations with a capital O, but I'm also and
we touched a little bit about public safety operations that happen in the field. Aside from crime
and crime deterrent, I don't want to be all negative, but what are some of the other types
of behavior or other types that may not be a crime, but are things that the police department
um, works on, uh, that would be used in decision making. So one thing that
comes to mind is we do track, um, you know, a homeless population as well as,
as far as, um, when we clear a call, um, that officer has been sent to say it
was a mental health or say it was a disturbance type call. We can clear
with the transient disposition of that. Um, one of the ways that we could do
of that is just kind of identify the high volume areas of where some homeless
or transient people may be and then coordinating resources more specifically
in that area so we generally have a decent idea of what calls are the most
prevalent and where they're happening but this will give us the hard numbers
this will be able to calculate show me all of the dispositions for transient
over the past 60 days and map them out for us and show us the hot spots. That's
one way that we could do that as well as times a day for you know breaking it
down even further and then we could deploy your resources there with community
outreach. So on page three of the presentation and the first bullet
identifies various data sources.
Are those the only data sources that will be input
and that will be that the proposed contract will include?
Yes, so I believe we, I'm sorry.
So these are the integrations that we have at this point.
So it's our Tyler technology, our public safety software,
whether computer aided dispatch, the records management.
We do have in-time with scheduling.
There is administrative reviews that can be done
based on scheduling.
Maybe seeing more officers could be deployed
more efficiently as well.
And then again, the axon.
So the linking of the like the axon data,
it's just gonna allow, you know,
if you're looking up a certain report,
it's also gonna send a link to the potential body camera
or digital evidence that's also associated
to that specific case number.
So how will this contract,
so in terms of public safety dispatch,
and this kind of goes into the sole source letter
from Paragrine, but I, how is,
how will the use of this vendor
be used to determine dispatch and what is the kind of and what is the safeguard, right?
So you have, and I'm making an assumption here that, and please correct me if I'm wrong,
that Peregrine will, will it make a suggestion or a decision or will the person have to input
a question or I guess I'm just struggling with like, I see that data integration, and
this is not the only vendor that does data integration, integration amongst multiple
data sources. So I guess what I'm struggling about is the sole source part of the contract.
And this kind of bleeds into my comments. If you're integrating data sources to make
better decisions about scheduling, about scheduling.
I'm unclear how internal affairs fits into that.
CAT RMS, that is the system that the police uses
in their vehicles and it connects to our headquarters.
And so I understand that part.
That's what I'm struggling with.
Like this is not the only provider
that integrates data sources but it's how that's being used
to inform decision making on dispatch and personnel
and what, like, yes, so how, what is the delineation
between the actual data integration
and the business need for that?
That I understand but it's the other part
that I'm struggling with.
The reason that I trust y'all is because you all have
the context and all of the other,
it's the human aspect that I'm,
is what I'm concerned about that we'll be losing
and that decision making.
So when we're talking about the sole source specifically,
one of, again, their ability to ingest it
and it's geared towards public safety.
So again, all of the prompts, all the searches,
even when you don't use AI functions,
It's geared to layout for crime analysis
and police-related activities.
The other major thing that we're gonna have to be dealing
with within the next two years is the migration of data.
Even if we ended up staying with Tyler Technologies
for our public safety software,
they do not, we would most likely have to ingest all
of the data as well and transfer it over
because they have a whole new records management system.
It's no longer the one we used the past 20 years,
it's a brand new system.
So there's the data migration piece of that
and that is very expensive.
With that, Perrigan will assist us
with setting up a better purge schedule for our records
as well as the big thing is cleaning our data
or the data deduplication.
So it identifies that John Smith,
in all of these different ways,
has a little bit different spellings,
but Paragon has a unique way,
a specific algorithm, a proprietary algorithm
that allows the data duplication.
So again, if we did have to migrate data,
it would be a lot less,
as well as we have the ability to use Paragon,
which a lot of other companies do not do,
is a storage container for our historical information.
So if we do do a migration to another public safety software,
we will still maintain records per public records acts
for the required retention period in Peregrine.
So we potentially don't have to migrate any new information
to a new software system,
and we can maintain that under Peregrine.
So the ability to deduplicate,
to use it as a storage container for historical records
and then the integrations.
I have personally been doing this for a while,
looking at a lot of, I've not seen another company
that has been able to do everything that we need
except for Peregrine.
Thank you, I'm out of time.
So we're going to Councilman Simon.
Yes, what local law enforcement neighbors
are currently in Peregrine?
So I believe that there's one other outstanding Alameda County
agency.
So basically, us and one other agency in Alameda County
are currently not with Peregrine.
Again, I don't know how many complete Bay Area agencies.
I know there's, in San Mateo County, there's several.
He'll probably be able to answer that the best.
Yeah, I mean, I could go down a list.
But the major ones are the big cities, San Francisco,
Oakland, Alameda County, Contra Costa County,
San Mateo County, Santa Clara County,
and then in most of those counties,
most of the small departments within them.
So most of the Alameda County agencies,
most of the Contra Costa County agencies,
all the San Mateo County agencies within Santa Clara,
Santa Clara, San Jose,
I think within 50 miles of here,
there's probably about 75 agencies
that are pairing customers.
So the local police department, Hayward, Fremont,
New York, Alameda.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, all our customers.
All right, my next question.
What safeguards protect against racial profiling?
I think there's an important distinction here.
One is the use of AI versus not the use of AI.
So with Peregrine, where no AI is being used, which is, again,
the majority of the department, the use of the platform
is governed by agency policy.
That's all auditable.
I can let the department speak to how folks are trained,
how they're trained, how they're disciplined,
how they are audited for the use of that platform, what they
search for and what they don't.
But I think the concern usually comes up
around the use of AI.
And that's where, as I was speaking earlier,
we have specifically trained the,
or modified the artificial intelligence capabilities
such that any question that has a hint of racial bias
or has bias suggested within it,
it will not come back with an answer.
It will refuse to answer those questions.
So we've spent a lot of time making sure
that the AI does not respond to
and cannot respond to bias-based questions.
Thank you. My next question from efficiency standpoint, you know, efficiency's good. We all like efficiency, save money, better crime analysis.
You want to understand how does that translate and some of these questions may have been asked already, but how does that translate down to the street to actually stopping the crime or traffic?
I mean we have a major traffic issues in the city people
Consistently run stop signs consistently speed. How does this equate down to a safer city for us?
So that's that's our job as administrators with the police department to to be able to take this information
And again, we we currently have one climate
Analysis person to to sort through all our information. We have detectives as well as are up there
but this gives us for the hot topic questions,
what may take us a week to compile all of the data
of how many calls have we had for speeders in the city
in what were the locations of.
Compiling all that data could take us a week
to be able to give it back to a council member
or a member of the public
when we could probably have that answer.
If there's somebody present to use that
and has the access within an hour
to be able to do so.
So the efficiency piece is again, the data mining
and basically we can, and again,
even if you don't have that AI capability or access to,
you can still ask Peregrine the specific questions
in the dropdown boxes when it comes to that.
But the AI piece also accelerates that even more so.
But when it comes down to actually deploying it,
that's us as administrators, myself as a watch commander,
with the valuable information that we could receive
from this, I can then direct the sergeants
and patrol officers, say, we have a problem
with stop signs in this specific area
because we have this data,
the enforcement needs to happen during this time.
Again, with the scenario of how many collisions
that we have, well, that's valuable.
we can now presence enforcement in school zones
that could help then mitigate
and obviously raise public safety.
So we'll go to Council Member Bolt at this time.
Thank you.
The last question I wanted to ask you
because I agree with the Vice Mayor,
you're like our resident expert right now.
You're the one we're leaning on
and for the police department,
I can imagine this is kind of like a new tool,
like, yeah, this is cool.
And I don't doubt that.
But in reality, there's always pros and cons.
So as our resident expert, can you just give me
just two cons that you see in this program?
Don't say there's none, because that's impossible.
There's got to be some.
I just can't see it.
And I think that's what we're struggling with is like,
We wanna do it, but we also know with all this information
we're getting about AI, you know,
how far are we gonna jump in before it's too late?
And that's what I think we're trying to protect from.
So if you have anything.
And again, it comes down to all this information
is all already information that that specific user
already has access to, right?
So with San Leandro employees,
they're not getting any additional access
to the information.
They can already go into our records management system
and click on any report that has not been restrictive,
whether it's a active investigation
or it's a homicide or officer-involved shooting,
as long as that, if that case file is not restricted,
then they have access to that information anyway.
If they're savvy enough, they know how to,
they can get any kind of the CAD information,
they can search for calls,
they can so the information is already there so one of the cons is just maybe
faster access to information and then the other off-the-cuff kind of con would
be is maybe some our officers probably trying to search too much for a crime
when it could be rather their their times more valuable conducting you know
preliminary investigations out on the street rather than trying to conduct their own investigation
where it probably needs to be handed off to an investigator sooner. So maybe a little bit too
much time for their own active criminal investigation that they were should be only responsible for the
preliminary of. They may be taking it further where their time may be more valuable doing
traffic enforcement or responding to calls or being more proactive just cut out in the community.
And I will let the city manager also in with a little additional perspective. Thank you, Mr. Mayor
Thank you, councilor I'm both I would say if you're looking for another con is
Just one thing learning from efficiency when you have a system right now
It takes the police department a really long time to answer certain questions
It could be I know for example the mayor and councilmember Simon asked about
Traffic stops and it took I think almost a month to answer the question
With this with taking so much time you're going through a lot of information
You don't want to see to get to an answer
Sometimes when you're looking at things you're not trying to look at you see other things that are not on your to-do list
Right's kind of like going down the rabbit hole of things
You're not here for if you have an efficient way of finding an answer you're skipping all of the things
You're not trying to see that could be a positive
But the negative is you're not paying attention to those other things ancillary as well
You guys would be great in interviews because you just took two pauses and tried to turn them into cons
But that's not I'm really looking for that
You know, I appreciate that when you're saying like yes an officer can kind of you know
Spend a little too much time and be the crime
Solver of the day instead of you know, but I think you know here
I am trying to fix it too
But maybe they use it so many times in the beginning and they're like I screwed this I'll go back to
Right, like I said something new and shiny they're all get their hands on it and then and then that'll wear off
If that would be the major con so okay, I'll just have to create some cons in my head then
So with that we will as we hopefully this will be our last go run on questions
So a plenty of time for commentary. So let's go to councilmember. I get that
Victor Aguilar, thank you mayor and
Thank You lieutenant man with regards to I know that
This technology was used. I think this is a question for the
Para grand expert
How was this technology used for the World Cup?
so several of our customers around the country were host cities for the World Cup and
One of the major challenges facing cities that host big sporting events is there's a huge influx of people a huge influx
of activity and a lot of different places where law enforcement needs to
focus their attention, needs to coordinate with other law enforcement
agencies. And so what Peregrine can do by having all of their data in one place
during a major event and that may be World Cup at that scale but in many of
our cities that looks like a fall festival, that looks like any kind of
big concert series that may happen at the central, you know, at the local park.
One of the challenges, again, is being able to locate where are all my officers
where are my priority calls, where do I have to position those officers to make
them maximally effective, how can I collaborate with other agencies that may
come. And so that's a you know at the basics the way Peregrin can kind of
create an operational picture of all your information and all the players on
the field so that you can effectively direct them and use them to their
maximum efficiency and effectiveness. And we've heard that from a lot of our
customers through World Cup, which is that hey we had hundreds of thousands if
not millions of folks visiting our city, and that was overwhelming a lot of our
systems, and so the ability to see at any given time where all of our priority
1991 calls are, where all our cop cars were, where there was traffic, you know
being able to see that all in one place allowed them to make decisions much
faster, and allowed them to know hey I'm gonna put my officers over here versus
over here, which can save time, can save lives, can stop crime, and I think for
many of our departments, they said,
it made for a better fan experience.
And was this used in the US, Canada, and Mexico?
No, we don't have any deployments in Mexico.
We do have some Canadian customers,
but I don't believe we were part of any of the World Cup
efforts in Canada.
So it was a series of major American cities where we worked.
So I think Kansas City, Dallas, Los Angeles,
and I think of three or four other major cities.
Thank you and my question was regards to the,
I mean, a very fair had mentioned AI policy.
City Manager mentioned that we're currently working
and it were about 90 something percent done.
What would be the holdup if we were to say,
hey, let's implement AI policy
before we make a decision on moving forward with Paragrin?
To not do Paragrin altogether,
even though we don't have to do the AR part for Paragrin?
Is that my...
To implement policy behind the usage of Paragrin
and the AI aspect of it?
My question is, are you saying to allow Paragrin,
but not the AI portion of Paragrin before we have a policy?
to not allow Peregrine until we have AI policy implemented?
The effect that they would not be able
to start using Peregrine.
We would still continue to do things
the way we're doing it now.
Okay.
And again, the Peregrine Pro is the AI function
and that does not have to be turned on.
But again, when we're talking about the other uses,
the data deduplication, the historical migration of data,
that with the upcoming migration to a different public safety software these
are all things that we need that are on the time sensitive side when it comes to
data retention and holding it. And what I'll say is we currently have the
police department has Lexapot policies around sharing information. The AI
policy that the city is working on is more regarding putting city information
Into an AI system or an external AI system and the rules there
Which this would not be affected by that because the whole point of peregrine is for it to have access to city information already
So if we're using that information to communicate amongst different platforms such as these system integrations
Will we not be using AI to have it all communicate? I'm just confused about that aspect
Yeah, yeah, great question. So
Peregrine's data integration does not rely on artificial intelligence.
So what data integration looks like is connecting to each of these various sources,
bringing this data together, and then intelligently connecting them. And when I say intelligently connecting them,
I mean you might have a 911 call that's connected to a police record that might be connected to the bodyboard camera that occurred in that,
that came from that police interaction.
In the San Leandro context and in many law enforcement agencies, those are all three different systems.
So I have to look up the 9-1-1 call, then I have to look up the police record, then I have to look up the body-worn camera.
So if I'm trying to understand what happened to an incident, whether I'm doing an investigation or in the case of internal affairs,
if I'm trying to figure out whether an officer behaved appropriately, in both those cases you're going to have that data all disconnected.
Peregrin creates connections between those data so that the CAD call is corresponded to the record, is corresponded to the body-worn camera.
And that all happens without artificial intelligence.
Artificial intelligence allows you
to interact with that data in a quicker and more natural
language type of approach.
So the AI is not critical to the data being connected,
or modeled, or cleaned, as the lieutenant was talking about,
that cleaning of the data, the deduplicating of the data.
So those are separate parts of what peregrine can offer.
And peregrine can absolutely offer the basics of peregrine,
without that AI capability, if the council so chooses.
And what is data protection?
I mean, what is cybersecurity look like?
Are you using some sort of like penetration system
to get in to hack?
Are you like SOC 2 certified?
Yep, SOC 2 certified.
CEGIS compliant, HIPAA compliant.
We absolutely do regular penetration testing.
And so for those who aren't familiar,
SOC 2 certification is a kind of above
industry standard requirement that kind of
is a third party auditor that comes in and certifies
that you meet this above standard set of requirements.
The base standard to operate in this space
is complying with CEGIS that has its own
strict encryption requirements,
data storage requirements has federal law behind it.
So even that basic CDES requirement is a robust regime.
SOC 2 is on top of that.
And the reason we went and got a SOC 2 certification
is particularly so that cities departments could say,
hey, there's someone outside of Peregrine
that is telling you this is legitimate
and that's a third party auditor.
So we're happy to provide that.
But that is something we've spent a lot of time doing.
I mean, just to step back, I mean,
Peregrine was founded here in the East Bay
about 10 years ago at the San Pablo Police Department.
And one thing we're really proud of
is that we grew up here in the East Bay.
And from day one, we had to make sure
that we were best in class to have communities trust us
with their most sensitive data.
So we have from day one took very seriously
the privacy and security controls.
And that's why we have kind of continued
to layer on more and more security,
including in the deployment of artificial intelligence,
which we believe is really critical
because in this moment where artificial intelligence
is being rolled out really widely in some places.
We think it's really important that it's done cautiously
and with a high degree of security,
especially with the use cases
that law enforcement requires.
So we take these responsibilities really seriously.
We absolutely understand why you're asking these questions
and think they're good questions to be asked.
And we're happy to go into any degree of detail
into what those encryption standards look like,
the details behind those certifications.
So happy to go a level deeper
in whatever direction you'd like to go.
Okay, this time we'll go to vice mayor. Thank you. I'm actually gonna transition
away from accountability questions into more internal, internally looking
questions. One is regarding the budget used to pay for this. The report, the
staff report and the presentation both state that no general funds will be used.
However, this is an ongoing, this is an ongoing contract.
So is the, are the funds going to be continued to be,
I guess, let me just back up.
The state funding dedicated
to frontline law enforcement services,
is that the funding pot that the police department
is intending to fund this out of?
Yes, ma'am.
And is this a drawdown grant program?
Or is it first come, first serve?
My understanding is that the funding is already there
in our own front line for San Leandro
is that we have enough to fully fund it as we speak.
But it is also what I believe to be a year over type
where we can draw additional state funding
under the frontline yearly.
But it is my understanding that we have the full right now
to pay for it in our current pot.
For one year?
For, I believe, the entirety of the five-year contract,
I believe that we have enough to pay for that as well.
But especially for the initial three year,
that will come out of what's currently in our frontline.
Thank you.
I'd like to ask a question regarding it's still unclear to me the ongoing
costs and how our what our plan is I guess the funding source is it a draw
is it a is it a my understanding based on the response was that there is
dedicated funding for this type of service is it a year-by-year allocation
done by the legislature. Is it a formula? What I'm concerned about is that we're
getting into a five-year contract possibly even more or at least three
with the two one-year extensions which would be a five-year contract. But the
state is looking at a really not a very good fiscal outlook and I'm concerned
that we are integrating that we are starting a contract an ongoing contract
where we would have to pay this out of general funds. Can you talk a little bit
about funding stability and the plan
for funding this post the first three years?
So it would continue to come out of frontline funds
because we haven't had any notification
that we would not receive frontline money
and we have previously received
the frontline money forever.
Yeah, so now everything you're saying
about the state's financial position
could very well be true and then cause a future effect
and that we would stop with this contract.
This contract does allow us an out.
We would not have to come up with the money some other way
if we're not able to receive frontline funds.
Is it for the initial three after the first three years?
So the first three years, we already have the money for.
So we already have that money to pay for.
Your question is once that three years money runs out
and if we don't get future money from the state,
will we be, if we can't afford it
because we don't get that money, what can we do?
And so what I'm saying is if we're ever in that position,
we could stop with the service.
We don't have to continue paying for it.
Okay.
That's the, my only budget question.
The other one is,
who in the department would be accountable
for the proper implementation?
Should something go wrong?
Or if the system is not used correctly?
So who in the department is accountable
for the implementation of this system?
So myself would be accountable
for the implementation working with our IT department
as well as Paragon for deploying this out.
As far as the auditing go,
that will also fall under professional standards unit.
Am I correct on that as far as performing any kind of audits
or any kind of discipline
related to the improper use of the equipment?
And then as the city manager is ultimately accountable
for everything that happens in the city.
I'm gonna let her weigh in on this as well.
So I am responsible and accountable
for all employees who work for the city of San Leandro.
I hold my department heads responsible
for their department making sure
that all policies are followed,
or they are holding people accountable in their department
to make sure all policies are followed.
Okay, so with that, we could go on with lots of questions
for the rest of the night, but what we're gonna do
is we're gonna move to public comment on this item.
Thank you, Mayor.
We have received three comment cards on this item
from in the room.
And there are currently three hands raised online.
Okay, and so let's open up public comment in person.
Our in-person speakers are Mike Katz-Lacabe,
followed by Jeff Krop, followed by Leo T. West.
Good evening.
y'all know we have a community police review board, right?
Right?
That seems like a place that this should have gone first.
Anyway, I'd like to remind everyone
that AI is a marketing term
and does not describe a specific technology
though it's frequently used to describe
large language model when referring to chat bots.
Also, why have information on people
who are not suspect or known criminals
like our unhoused population
in this law enforcement database?
When I went to review this particular item,
I looked for documentation would include a scope of work
and perhaps a contractor of you to see exactly
what consulting services were being provided,
what things were being purchased, the timeline,
and the criteria to be used to determine
what was a successful implementation.
If these documents are not available,
how can the city council make an informed decision
about whether to approve the agenda item?
I suspect that doesn't matter,
match too much of the city council
because the money for this agenda item
is not from the general fund,
so it's free money for a new mass surveillance toy
for the police.
But why a no bid contract?
I think that was brought up already.
There are certainly other vendors in this space.
How will anyone know that this makes the police
more efficient. Great question from there. What are we measuring? How are we
measuring it? What is the criteria on which its performance is judged? Do we
just keep on going on regardless of whether or not it was successful? How do
you know it was successful? So but I suspect as with so many tools used by
the police, we won't actually get much of that because who knows? Does
Peregrine retain any of our data? Is our data used for AI training? What is the AI
I trained on assuming it's an LLM.
The Paragon Pro platform is the heart
of the current police fad of crime centers
in which different data sources are cobbled together
with some special AI sauce and marketed as a solution
to many of the department's problems.
However, perhaps the department should concentrate
on more pressing problems like the upgrade
of the CAD system that was mentioned.
Without documentation like a contract
and scope of work to review,
I urge you to vote no on this item or send it back,
or send it, not back, but to the community police
Your view board where it should have been before it came here. Thank you
Thank you. The next two speakers
Are Jeff crop followed by Leo T west?
Hello console. My name is Jeff crop
And can we bring up slide 10?
He has a question about slide 10 and so to facilitate the comment. It would be nice to have this light up
So we can just pause
Thank you. The last slide in this
slide says local agencies determined qualifying public safety
priorities.
Has this software proposal been presented to our Community Police Review Board to proactively
determine our qualifying
public safety
priorities?
And it sounds like there has not been a determination of what our AI policy
is and I don't remember exactly but this officer over here said that some other
constraint hadn't been developed a policy had not been developed and I
would urge this council to vote no on this proposal until those other
qualifying measures that give us the boundaries of the interaction and get
the feedback of the community through the police review board before approving these
fun expenditures. Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker is Leo T. West.
I want to speak about the merit or the technology or the lack of. What we have here is just
Just another example of how taxpayer money is misused, $405,000 for something that is
built as consulting services.
It is just another one of those consulting services, however, the City Council doing
the last four years.
Then there are the millions allocated for Robin in Washington, investigators and agencies
of different kind.
As an example, the Raza central regard
received more than $1 million for doing nothing for tenants.
I have a letter from the Raza central regard
telling me that they wouldn't represent me.
So the city has a lawyer, but we the tenants don't have one.
The tax payer money has been mismanaged
by the city council.
There is no accountability.
If the city had to spend all of this money
on contracting agencies, what are the city employees for?
We've had the opportunity to replace the one
who was being run in the show for the last four years,
Mayor Gonzalez.
We have an empty room here,
most of the time for the last four years,
because the people don't believe in you.
The people don't care what you do
because they know that you don't pay attention.
So what does the consultant do
with the people of San Leandro?
Thank you.
Mayor, there are no more comment cards from in the room.
So let's close public comment in person
and open public comment online.
How many speakers do we have?
We have three hands raised online.
Please proceed.
The first online speaker is Douglas Spalding.
Thank you so much. The answer to Mike's question, it would seem to me, is that no, the City
Council is not aware of the Community Police Review Board or does not have it in mind. And
they certainly don't understand that part of the hybrid system is an independent police auditor
who audits any and all information every month. Go to the meeting, see the data. So, mayor and
council member Simon. There's all kinds of traffic data and it shows that the pre-textual stops are
of black and brown people far exceeding their proportion of the population in San Leandro.
And yes the flock data shows there are more than 3,000 inquiries every month from our own police
department. That seems like a lot. So as the the police officer said you know maybe their their
their time would be better spent.
I know there have been some coaching memos in some cases,
but the problem about setting parameters
is we don't even know what they are.
And for months we've been going down a black hole of,
oh my God, what outside agency got our data?
What about those guys down in Southern California?
We just don't really trust Flock.
So why would we double down on another surveillance system?
Here, this is part of the Palantir surveillance tree.
It is the surveillance system.
Did you not hear the representative say,
we use existing models, not our own.
That means it's the Palantir model.
So on the surveillance tip, I have to say no.
And on the budget tip, this reminds me of tuition
for a parochial school.
Well, we didn't give you a nice scholarship the first year,
or maybe the first five years.
And then after all, that money goes away
and you're kind of on the hook for it.
So how does this measure up $705,000 over five years?
It's approximately the same cost
as that fire station route for station 10.
Let's spend it on fire stations,
not on more toys for the police.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
The next online speaker is Alvaro Ramos.
I took one look at Peregrine Tech's website
and it is clear that the company
is running artificial intelligence.
Red flag, is our data going to train
the company's AI algorithms?
This presentation has no real transparency about AI.
Did the police department review the contract
and the terms of service that they're agreeing to?
The city should opt out of data going to AI
and the city should demand financial compensation
in the contractual obligations and the terms of service
for the data that the company uses if it's going to AI.
Let me remind you AI data centers destroy
our natural resources, pollute our environment,
higher energy bills for consumers,
even hacking other computer systems.
Too many big tech companies are aspiring
to become the next palantir
and violate our constitutional rights.
There is no guarantee here of privacy protections
to stop data abuse.
this technology still leaves us susceptible to the abuse of our data without accountability
for police officers who are using the data. I don't know about abuse in this department,
but I've heard it in other departments across this country. You cannot automate the job of
a data analyst. There is no room for error in databases because it can incriminate anyone's,
if anyone has their data in the database, then it's stored there, it could permanently harm a
person's life. There are serious consequences here. So rather than private for-profit companies
like Peregrine that own and control the platform where they decide the rules and they can change
them if they want to, the state of California has an entire IT Information Technology Department
that should be developing the same services and provide Californians with superior data security.
We the people should have AI regulations. Thank you. Your time has elapsed, sir.
Our next online speaker is Adam. Adam Z. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Can you all hear me? Yes.
Great. I appreciate the questions from council tonight and just want to say that I share a lot
out of the same concerns and want to elaborate on a few as well.
I'm really concerned that we're defaulting to Peregrine largely
because neighboring agencies use it.
And I don't believe we've given enough scrutiny
to how it actually works, how success will be measured,
or whether or not another product might be of another better fit.
I did not hear a single alternative product
that was mentioned as even a consideration.
I'm concerned about how data sharing is controlled.
It sounds like it's purely role-based access controls.
we will decide upfront which systems and objects
a role can access.
And then those users with those roles
can access any information that falls under that purview.
Doesn't sound like there is any human review,
manual approval or legal process required.
I'm concerned about the lack of quantitative published data
on Peregrine's performance.
All I can find online are press releases,
partnership announcements and success stories,
but no data.
I can't find accuracy rates, false positive rates,
independent validation, before and after metrics.
Just we've done lots of trial and error testing
and ongoing testing for a company built around using data
to improve decision-making and efficiency.
The lack of quantitative data scares me.
I keep hearing that efficiency is a major benefit.
I heard earlier that work that currently takes weeks
to generate reports could take an hour.
I want to challenge our department.
If that's part of the justification,
then we should measure it.
If we were to move forward with this contract,
will our police department commit to service level goals
that reflect these improvements?
Will we be able to get reports in an hour?
What have we seen from neighboring agencies?
Have they done the same?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Mayor, there are no more hands raised online.
We are closing public comment.
City Manager there was a theme with respect to CPRB and the scope of the CPRB.
How would you like to handle that? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We have Erika Engelbart, our
Deputy City Manager, who was our executive sponsor of the CPRB, and he
can come and address the question of why this may have not gone to the CPRB.
Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. When the City Council adopted the
ordinance that established the community police review board. It did
identify essentially six core functions of the role of the board. It is rather
lengthy, I mean I'm happy to read that aloud to you or I can put it on the
screen if that would be helpful to you. I would share also per feedback from the
police department you know they had to highlight the fact that this was
something under consideration. However in terms of whether or not this actually
this has not been formally agendized before this community police review
board nor has such a request from the board been been been highlighted or
elevated by the board but again I would also refer back to that the role of the
board which if you'd like I'm happy to pull it up on the on the screen. If you've
got it handy. I do yes. I think the core question is one of scope namely should
this have gone per protocol per their mandate etc. and as you let me let you
get that up on the screen first. So I can this is taken out of the ordinance that
the City Council adopted when it established the board. Okay I mean it I
think it's pretty self-evident. Thank you. Let me see if there was another
outstanding question from public comment. Sorry okay let me just double check I
think that was the main thematic one because I think some people just
amplified questions that had been raised before I'm not sure if there was a new
question okay so with that we will go to a discussion I'll begin with council
member again Victor I got thank you mayor and thank you Eric for bringing up
that the CPRB roles I think you know with regards to item one received
community feedback and complaints I think this is a community complaining
about what is what may transpire if we decide to move forward with Peregrine I
think you know we are being asked to approve a significant law enforcement
data and surveillance platform through a sole source procurement and I just see
we have to ask ourselves the question why and I think the community we need
more time to kind of digest this I know this is something that sounds great and
we'd like to move forward with it, but I'd like to,
I am moving that we push this to CPRB, that's my motion,
and have them come back with the recommendation.
Hold on just one second,
because I want to get some legal advice.
Okay, so just given what was written up there,
we were just having a discussion like,
could we send this to a committee?
And in particular, could that go to the CPRB?
And so what I heard, and I'm just gonna get you
to hear independently is that it's not in their legal scope and I'm gonna go
city attorney would you please comment could this body send to CPRB for their
analysis so thank you mayor certainly is not within the CPRB scope what could be
of course is that there could be a number of ways to think about how it
fits within scope and certainly analysis of policy because policy is within scope
but this is a contract so what we have before you right now is discussion on
approval of a contract certainly authorizing the city manager to negotiate
the contract if there will be changes to policy that are required by
implementation of the contract then yes of course those would be able to go to
the CPRB and arguably there's a mandate that any changes in policy would have to
code CPRB anyway so with that in mind would you like to modify your motion
because this is a item on the table is what's been agendized is the approval of
the contract would you like to reject the contract I would like to reject the
contract and come back until we implement policy with regards to AI
this is this is me suggesting no for now but coming back to council with some
guardrails in place with regards to approving the contract so that is that
is my motion so you're moving that we reject the contract for us okay I'm
looking for a second I'm not seeing a second so the motion will die for lack
of a second the next person in line is Councilmember Bolt. Thank you councilman Braggular.
I am really close to agreeing and seconding that but I don't want to just outright reject it.
I mean I'm reading some of the the roles of the the police review board and there is stuff around
policies and different paths we're gonna take.
And I don't have a problem sending it back there
if we can find a way in here to make it fit.
But I've heard a few things like the audit, right?
I know we do do one and this would be required
to have an audit, but I kinda like the way
Council member Bowen was speaking when one-year audit
You know would be brought as a review to us
To see how it's working see you know the effects of this
I
Would like to weigh in on on what cities
We're actually sharing with or or entities were sharing with if we're being asked to approve this
I don't want to just be a blank yes on the check, but then told later, well, that's not
really in your pervy to make this decision.
It's down there.
Well, if we control the purse, we control the process.
The idea of the AI policy before we go ahead with this, if we're 98% done, maybe that's
something we we wait for I wouldn't have a problem entertaining that as well I
heard that from some of the other council members I still am kind of kind
of weighing what the most important thing is here to make our purse our
department data for San Leandro Police Department more easily accessible or
or that we're sharing and being able to use other departments information and
I don't know if that was totally fleshed out and I don't know if it's 50-50 there for for you all
and
So I feel like there's just more information
That needs to come in way of questioning and just understanding at least personally for me to
To say yes to this right now
But I feel like that's kind of the same
thing that's going on with the rest of my council members, and I don't know if there's a
Great urgency that we move forward with this tonight
I I don't see why we can't table it instead of making the decision right now to send it to the
Police review board or outright rejecting it. I'm not there yet
so, you know, I'm gonna listen to some more of
of the thoughts and concerns to help me weigh in.
But forgive me, but this is kinda like
when it's about the data sharing.
This is kinda like that old kindergarten song
we used to sing, who stole the cookie from the cookie jar?
Who, me, not me.
Then who?
Fred stole the cookie from the cookie jar.
And Fred said, no, it wasn't me.
So the more hands we have on this data,
less control we have in the future and it just it just rings too much that
we're letting maybe a little too much out too quick without a full assessment
of and having our head around this idea and I apologize for saying you stole
the cookie my brother I don't want to be troubled later so I'll leave it there
and I'll listen so just to flush out one element of what you said it's the
sharing piece. For me, yeah. So if just hypothetically speaking, if a council
member said that they'd be open to implementing as let's say a phase one
with no data sharing, would that mollify your concerns? Tonight, no. I need to know
exactly how we're gonna do it. If I'm gonna be the one helping to make the
decision, I got to know more about that piece, the data sharing. It's just I'm not
Easy enough tonight, but I'm saying no yes, but yeah, but
We can say that now, but you know, what does that mean? Right? Thank you. Thank you. So I'm gonna come to a vice mayor next
So public safety continues to be a priority of mine and a stated priority of this council for several years I was
A bit surprised to see this type of
significant change of the way that our police department
will be operating without proper community outreach.
I took a look as we were talking at the 2026 work plan
for the departments for the various presentations
that happened in July.
And it was not mentioned in the presentation.
And so what I'm trying to get at is that
we, actually I'll just speak for myself,
I don't feel like this was kind of properly introduced
at least to me and kind of making sure
that it was coming down the pike.
It's a significant budgetary investment.
And it wasn't talked about within the context of the budget.
It wasn't talked about in terms of,
at least to my knowledge and from what I can recall,
it was not talked about within the context
of other city wide initiatives to improve efficiency
and communication and the way that the city is operating.
So I also share some of the sentiments from my colleague
that from my colleague, Council Member Bolt,
and that I just don't feel like proper community outreach
has been made to at least have answers about the concerns
that have been elevated by some of the members
that were able to speak tonight.
But for those of us that are out in the community,
this is something that continues to be elevated
and just in terms of the current environment
that we live in and wanting to be proper,
both stewards of our funds,
but also that the contracts that we are awarding,
at least I feel that has been properly communicated
both to the public in the way that we're using their data.
We are collecting it but essentially it's people's data.
It's people's information.
And I take that very seriously.
I also would like to elevate that part of the work plan
for the police department was goal seven
to ensure strong community engagement.
And I think that if we can find a way for,
for the department to maybe, if it's not through the CPRB,
but through one of the community outreach events
to talk about how this could improve public safety.
I think that we are all aligned and the goal of using
technology and tools to make better decisions
and to improve efficiencies.
At least I'll speak for myself.
We share that goal and I want to get there,
But I don't feel like with the information
that was presented in the materials
and in the staff report,
I'm able to make that decision tonight.
Thank you.
Council Member Bowen, please.
Thank you, Mayor.
Just for clarification,
we're talking a lot about information sharing
as is without Peregrine,
does SLPD share information with other agencies?
Yes, ma'am, we currently do
through the crime tracer program.
And do we share it with the other agencies in Alameda County, and Alameda County, Alameda
County, and many of the counties that were in the Bay Area?
We do, but when we share with Crime Tracer, we share with other California agencies that
also subscribe to Crime Tracer.
What I am hearing and stop me if I'm off the topic but in regards to concerns
about tonight's contract authorization, it has to do with more clarity needed
around both how we share information as a policy, as well as was mentioned earlier like
an MOU on how we give out information, what is done with that information, and also how
we use AI and what that actually means.
I'm hearing a lot of the concerns folks are having and certainly the relationship with
what sort of things get sent to the CPRB versus a contract.
And it's much more straight forward to me
because of what we're actually trying to authorize
in this item.
But I think it sounds like the council is interested
in having more policy conversations that are related
to what we're talking about tonight.
And so maybe the legal question is,
is that a separate discussion that needs to be agendized
for the council that is related to this,
but is not this.
So I'll go to city attorney on that.
Thank you, Mayor.
Yes, Council Member Bowen, that's correct,
that your description of what we need to discuss
is not on the agenda for this evening
and certainly could be by the council.
Thank you.
Okay, seeing other hands, I'm gonna weigh in very quickly.
I do think that big picture.
I think I agree with the premise
of what Council Member Bowman is driving at,
namely we already share information.
We're not changing this concept of information sharing.
That's been fundamental for decades.
We share information.
In fact, we post on social media
about how we collaborate with other agencies
to try to solve crimes and how to spot trends.
Police chiefs meet and tell stories
and collaborate and share information.
So I'm not, that part doesn't bother me at all
because we've been doing that for decades.
I do think that there is a core lesson to be learned here.
And that's that it's intuitive that efficiency
will be enhanced.
But there hasn't been a clear story.
And I did meet with Paragram like three years ago,
talking about how we could tell the story of efficiency gains.
And so I've got to tell you flat out,
I'm disappointed that tonight it's not clear after three
years what those efficiency gains are.
Is it that we're able to close more cases?
Is it that we are able to solve cases more quickly?
It's the same number of cases,
but we can just do it a lot faster.
And so, as much speaking to you
as I am to the Peregrine folks, right?
We have to be able to tell that story.
Is $150,000 per year to likely drive efficiency
worth the investment?
Absolutely yes.
It's not a lot of money.
And so the only question that rains for me is,
this is money that's already allocated.
So the question really is, what are we not doing
because you're proposing that we spend it on this?
And so I'm gonna go to someone in PD, right?
If we don't spend it on this,
where will we spend the money?
Hello, good evening,
Captain Ape Tang with the San Luis police department.
So if Lieutenant Munn alluded
to the frontline grant money earlier.
And there are certain technologies,
one of them equipment can be one of them.
So we would have to research a different piece
of technology and obviously some of the feedback
that we're getting from city council tonight
it's valuable in terms of if this is something,
perhaps if this program is beyond what you're comfortable
with, is there something else we have.
And this is gonna dovetail into something a little earlier
talking about other products that we have explored.
There's, we go back to the whole topic of soul sourcing.
We have explored other tools that are software-based,
but none of them can exactly replicate
what Peregrine has to offer.
Now, those programs are probably cheaper.
They are investigative tools that we can leverage.
That could be something that we also explore.
But when we look at Peregrine holistically,
it not only offers what these other programs do,
but it also synthesizes our data,
which these are the programs wouldn't.
There's also these other programs that wouldn't allow us
to be able to map, to take the data that we already have
and put it on a mapping using our GIS
and be able to present something that's easily viewable,
not just for our staff, for council members,
for the members of our public as well.
So to answer the mayor's question in a more roundabout way
is we can explore other pieces of technology
that would cost less, but this is money that is,
can only be used for certain functions
and technology is one of them.
So in the end, so I am supportive of the contract
pretty full stop.
I'm supportive, because I do think that
it will help improve crime solving.
I think the fact that we're able to collaborate
more efficiently, more quickly with other agencies
is a positive.
I just, I wish that that story was a little bit more clear
with actual data, and that's where my disappointment is.
I do think that in the end,
we need to be able to measure efficiency improvements.
We're able to do this in two days instead of five,
we're able to clear more cases
with the same number of people.
You have to come back to us
with that type of measure, period.
This is not really optional anymore
because I've been talking to Peregrine like three years.
So that's a necessary condition for me.
I will move to approve this contract,
but I don't know if I'm gonna get a second,
I don't know if we'll get the votes tonight.
but you have to come back from my perspective,
you want my support, you've got to come back with impact.
It's gotta be measurable and not just a conceptual thing.
It can't be just because everybody else does it,
we do it too, you gotta be able to show the benefits.
And it's not just about a pretty map,
it's about how are we keeping the residents safer.
Okay, so with that, I'm going to move the item
that we accept the recommendation of the city manager
and the team to sign this contract,
but I'm adding an extra piece.
That we send to the rules committee a request
to move forward more quickly on our AI policy
and to explore the data sharing options that we have.
Is that clear enough?
So I'm gonna come to city manager
and if you wish to tweak that, work with me.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
The AI policy is a personnel policy,
which is not a council policy.
So it's the policy for me and the directors,
which is, like I said,
working through labor conversations as well.
On the second one you said, what was that again?
So I wanna start with AI policy,
because I understand that you and your administrative code
may need to set up guidance.
But I think the council more broadly has expressed concern
about the use of AI in tools like Peregrine.
And so I think pretty much like at least four of the people have expressed a
concern and I'm trying to be respectful of that concern in a way that can meet
their needs. So I would have to defer to the city attorney on what kind of policy
direction that's not a personnel policy that the council would weigh in on.
Shall I, Mayor? Yes, please. Thank you. So what the policy the council is looking
for, which would be applicable to independent third parties,
would be the type of policy that would go
into the administrative code.
And that the council would be setting parameters
for general use of AI by the city,
i.e. use of information, how it's shared
with outside agencies, independent third parties.
That's where I think a policy like that would go
would be in the administrative code.
It would be a council policy as it pertains
to external entities.
Certainly the city manager's policy,
the AI policy is related to use of AI
by city employees, which is within her impervium.
And I think that policy,
you have to go through your normal council protocols
for making that policy,
bringing that policy back to the council.
Perfect, so I'll just keep it that simple
that we will look, I'll forget the second part of that,
So just the first part is that we accept the contract,
the recommendation of staff to approve this contract
at whatever it is, average value of 141,000 a year.
But that we, in addition to that,
that we direct the Rules Committee
to begin exploring the role of AI
from a big picture policy perspective
with respect to information sharing,
with respect to which data can be used in models,
big picture, because I think that was a concern
that was raised.
are going to be using our data and sharing that through AI models with others so we can
at least begin to socialize those discussions at rules and then come back to this body to
get a little bit more guidance. But just to plant that seed, to get that process started.
So that's my motion. Do I have a second for that motion? Councilmember Simon?
I'll second that, and I have a couple comments. Please proceed.
it does come back I mean I am interested like I've heard others and members of the
public service level goals so once we get out of this if we implement this
contract what are we residents how are they going to see this is a safer city
for them as simple as that and for example the manner I hear regularly about
catalytic converters being stolen car thefts property crimes vandalism it's
It's a regular basis in the manner, I mean I hear it weekly and I see it, I mean I see
cars as far as traffic stops, cars just blowing through stop signs, Inverness and Fargo.
You stand there, every single car runs through it, every single car.
So we have to, we need more tools and I want you police to have more tools, yet I want
to make sure that the policies are in place to protect people's privacy, to make sure
that there are enough safeguards there.
So I do like this concept of going to rules to further flush this out, the protection
measures.
So good advice, next.
I'm not opposed to using peregrine.
Peregrine? In Spanish, it's Peregrino and I keep, in my head I keep saying it in
Spanish. I'm not opposed to using this type of technology. I want to give our
police department all the tools that they need in order for for those in
charge of public safety to make better decisions. My concern is around the
community engagement portion of it that to my knowledge that did not happen and
there are whether they are validated whether they're grounded or or not they
are concerns of the community about the use of this type of technology in our
police department particularly because of not not just anyway so it comes from
a place of understanding and a place of people's different experiences with
public safety and law enforcement that I want to ensure that that outreach is
made before coming to the Council for the approval of the contract. So for
that reason I will be voting no. Thank you. One of the things I know the
motion's been made in a second and just want to throw it out there that if the
motion would also include I know we talked about it but to actually include
it in the motion to have that annual review with the measurable outcomes also
that it does go to an audit with CPRB which we do with our contract with flak
but to make sure that we have that built-in review and accountability that
we've been talking about so that a request for friendly amendment yes that
is a request for a friendly amendment.
Okay, the only clarification on the friendly amendment
would be, I think the audit process
is currently through the independent police auditor,
or is it the CPRB itself?
Correct, Mayor Gose, it's through
the independent police auditor to the CPRB.
But the work is done by the IPA?
That's correct.
Okay.
So I just wanna make sure that we're clear on the record.
So I accept that friendly amendment.
And then does the seconder accept that?
Sorry, so the record shows.
Yes.
Okay.
And then to be clear on the original motion,
it really, it's to adopt the recommendations of staff.
I specifically focus on the word contract,
but it didn't mean the four recommendations.
So Council Member Bolt,
and then come back to the Vice Mayor.
I like that we're working together
and trying to figure this out,
but my problem is, I 100% agree with the vice mayor
that if we approve this tonight,
it's hard to put the cap back in the bag,
I think is the way they say it.
And so I don't see the urgency in us approving it,
and then even though we're gonna put in some parameters,
I think it was best serve the community,
I have some more engagement,
and then us wrap our heads around
what these type of parameters mean,
and then 100% talk to the police department
and figure out with, you know,
just because we come up with a parameter,
that doesn't mean it works for you.
And so what does it mean for you guys
when we're saying, why don't we do this?
Or why don't we do this?
Why don't we add this in?
This is about approving the contract,
and I think we're getting in the weeds
and starting to deviate from what we were here to do.
but to me, this deviation is a most important part
of what we're doing tonight.
Like this is such an important topic in today's world
with data collection and data sharing.
And so again, for me,
if this is about sharing with other departments,
I'm not there.
If this is just about our officers being able
to access data a lot, you know, quicker and easier.
100%, that's the tools we wanna be able to give,
but I don't think we have the control,
and if we just approve this tonight,
I feel like we lose some control.
So I don't have a problem pushing the pause button,
and for that reason, I'm not gonna support
the approval of this contract tonight in any form
without us flushing out some more ideas
and having some more community engagement.
Coming next to Vice Mayor.
I just have a quick question
because the recommendation includes the Pro platform,
which I believe includes the chat option
and the AI overlay.
Am I correct?
Yes, correct.
The Paragon Pro is the AI function of the software.
So I just wanted to elevate that
because that is essentially the big crux
of what we're talking about.
And that's still included.
I'm assuming in the motion.
Yes, and if you've got a suggested amendment,
that the motion maker would be open to it.
I do not have a friendly amendment.
Okay, council member Victor Aguilar.
Thank you, Mayor.
I think we're putting the cart before the horse here
instead of implementing guardrails.
And I think with regards to Paragram Pro,
there is the accessibility to utilize the AI aspect,
but we don't even have a contract before us to look at.
And you mentioned a contract.
What contract?
This is just a recommendation of what we're utilizing.
So, you know, with regards to the community outreach,
I feel like the community, you know,
a few folks have came to speak about this.
I think we need some more information from the folks
to make sure that we're moving forward with this,
you know, with this recommendation
to support the police department.
I think we did that with Flock.
and as somebody who supports the public safety,
I think we need to make sure
that we're making the right decision here.
And I don't think this is the right decision
to make right now.
I think we should hold off and for that,
I'll be voting no on this.
Council Member James, I know you haven't punched in yet,
but as we decide what to do with this motion,
it would be useful to get your thoughts.
There you go.
Sure, thank you, Mayor.
I'm actually going to bounce off of your comments because I largely agree with you and I'm gonna differ in that I
Think that what was presented to us was pretty clear and the delineation between
the the data infrastructure that will
essentially
modernize our police department and allow our department to
Get better at what your goals are has moved to regard to public safety
And then the AI element being a separate thing, right?
I I think that was pretty clear to me and so I think I have enough information
To support your motion. I I'm ready to support the contract
But I am also in support of this conversation on AI and providing guardrails for it. So
So I think two things can be true. I think one I think peregrine is going to be a great thing for our police department
but two that the AI piece is yeah, of course concerning but that we can
Separate that we can have a conversation about these two things at the same time. So I'll be supporting your motion tonight
Do you need I'm turning a city manager now. Do you need any additional?
clarification
No, sir. I'm fine. Thank you councilmember Bowen. Did you have an additional question or comment?
Yes hearing the concerns of the council, especially around AI I would like to make another friendly amendment and
Me
after maybe after
To remove program pro in the AI component of it
And if this is something that after our year and we talk about AI and all the other things that we're trying to do
that maybe we can again build in that contract however that looks. So let me
just I'm gonna clarify with the folks from Peregrine staff etc. To be clear I
heard earlier that it is literally a switch that is thrown and so we can
implement Peregrine without that functionality, is that correct? Yes sir.
Okay, so I will accept a friendly amendment that we adopt this technology
The four points there with a clarification the additional clarification that the AI element be put on pause
Until this council provides direction that it is okay to turn it on
So is the seconder of the motion open to that
Question comment. Yes, I'm I'm open to it. My concern is if it's a flip of a switch
Does that mean the city manager?
Has does not have the ability to flip that switch until it comes back to council
That's what the direction is that's coming out of this motion that okay that in order to turn that switch on
That would need to be discussed by this body
That's the direction that we're giving. Okay, so I see the AI as a concern among some on the council
I also see sharing of the data as a concern
Even though I understand data is still shared in other ways I got it, but this is a new a new method of sharing
I would ask the city manager. I mean a question for you see measure if you can ask this
from your perspective in your ability to
enable your police force to have as much capability as it can,
would you prefer to have the Paragram Pro now
or data sharing and or both, if I may ask?
City Manager, what is your preference?
Because I think it's a fair question to ask your preference.
You may not have the will of the council,
but what is your preference?
Thank you, Council Member Simon.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
At the council retreat the council talked a lot about efficiencies and I have seen since
I've worked in the city and even before working in the city is that since I started in local
government about 20 years ago coming from a private sector the way that we do things
in local government is antiquated and takes forever.
It doesn't have to take forever.
And so my direction to the staff of the city and the department has was find systems to
to allow us, technology, to allow us to do our jobs faster.
We used to use pencil and paper, we used to use typewriters,
we used to, we didn't have Excel, we didn't have calculators.
And so we do, we have all these tools now
to allow us to move faster.
We now have a new workday system to allow us
to move faster in processing payroll and paying invoices
and not having to move.
We use Adobe Sign, DocuSign, so that someone is not driving
around the city from building the building
and with a piece of paper to getting a signature
from everyone in the city.
So I see this as one more tool
to allow us to be able to do our jobs.
We will never, no city will ever have enough money
to pay all of the people to do all the things
that we wanna do.
I wanna be able, when you ask me a question,
to be able to get you an answer
that doesn't take a month to give you an answer,
or I have to take staff away from the job
they're already doing to mine the data,
to find the answer that you want.
Because I think you all are asking me their questions
and I should be able to answer.
Today, I can't do that.
So if you're asking me what I prefer, I prefer it all.
I prefer everything that's gonna be allowing us
to be able to do our jobs faster to get the answers
so that the thing that I actually need a human to do,
I need a human on the street.
Lieutenant Munn talked about how an officer
could be spending time using the system
to find the information, the answers,
while he's investigating or he's out on the street.
I don't have enough bodies on the street,
but I need a person on the street.
I don't need a body to mind data.
We have technology for that.
I hope that answers your question.
And that Paragon Pro can allow you to better mind the data?
Yes.
I would like to allow our city manager
to have those tools that she needs.
That's what I would like respectfully.
So that's a no to the friendly amendment.
Yes.
okay so let's see let's I think we've had enough discussion on this topic so
what we're going to do is see if we can get this first motion passed and the
motion reflects the adoption of the recommendations subject to to make sure
that I got these correct council member Bowen so the the annual performance
audit where we're looking at measures of success and subject to the access
control audit that is done by the IPA to confirm that, in fact, people that shouldn't have
access are not accessing using the audit logs that exist within the system and the other
tools that they have at their disposal. So that's the motion. And I'm sorry, yes, comma.
And that Rules Committee will be looking at AI information sharing and those broader uses
of AI that are above and beyond what the city manager does on a day-to-day basis with employee
use of AI policies.
And then, Council Member Bowen, if you can just clarify anything that I might have missed
there.
I'm sorry.
One thing that was not included in that, that was mentioned earlier was looking, we currently
share information with other agencies that the how it would be accessed by any officer
or other agency is in line with whatever policies we already have in place. Is that confirmed?
That's my understanding of I think it was said earlier. Yes, great. And to make sure
that we had at MOUs clearly to look into clearly defined MOUs about how our
information is shared and how they can further share that out. You're saying
that's part of the audit process or part of the I'm a little bit unclear because
what I heard was that we are developing MOUs not that we have MOUs. It got a
little bit funky there when that question was being answered so. We can
develop MOUs and that we also can develop safeguards through policy and
policy sharing similar to our automated license plate reader policy. Okay so I'm
coming back to Councilmember Bowen. How do we get that in this motion? Thank you.
So my suggestion is that we be clear, well let me ask, I'm gonna go to
Councilmember Simon. You know what? I think there's a clear record that what
we're trying to do is be careful with our data. And I'm trying to avoid like
spelling out every little thing. So I'm going to just see if we can adopt the
motion as it stands with the existing clarifications. If not, then we can start
digging a little deeper to see if we can get to a motion that we can pass. But the
intent of the body. If it hasn't been clear, I'm going to summarize, the body is concerned
about data access. The body is concerned about who we share information to and whether that
information goes to another agency that's not reliable that will share that information.
And how are we monitoring that? If that's not painfully obvious already, I'm going to
make it painfully obvious by just stating that for the record because that is a big
concern of this body, period, full stop.
Okay, so let's see what we can do
with the motion that is on the floor.
I'm gonna ask you to vote.
All votes are in, and the motion is carrying with,
motion carries with four yeses and three no votes.
Okay, at this point in time,
we will move to item number 11.
I don't believe we've had any requests
to schedule additional items.
Okay, item number 12, any announcements
that folks would like to make?
Council Member Bowen.
Thank you.
Just a few quick announcement.
Really appreciated that we're doing
Domestic Violence Awareness Month.
Just wanted to plug that we do have the emergency shelter
in San Leandro and lots of different ways
to support building futures.
You can cook dinner for the dinner donations.
I do it every other month for them.
You could also do move-in kits and donate directly.
I wanted to share how lovely
the Cary Haas Bridge Groundbreaking
for Construction event was.
The councilman, vice mayor and mayor were there
and then staff did a fantastic job with that.
Specifically what I wanted to address
and it's unfortunate SLPD just walked out,
but one of the other things that's related to that
is around student safety and access
and October 7th is International Walk and Roll Day.
So for all the drivers, especially on Thursday,
please be very careful because there will be
a significant number of kids walking and biking to school.
Last week I attended the League of California Cities
conference and was voted in as the first VP
for the East Bay Division.
The other thing that I wanted to share is that
StopWaste just celebrated their 50th anniversary
and we will do a lot more activities around that.
And then the other big announcement that I know
the city is going to be working on,
maybe it's probably gonna be doing a lot of advocacy on
well is just to share that the East Bay Greenway construction begins this month
and it will impact residents throughout the city. The crews will be constructing
protected bike lanes, improved bus stop amenities, repaving the road service,
building new and reconstructed curbs, current sidewalks. So there will be shifts
in traffic. Some sidewalks will be temporarily closed. All of this
information and the schedule is accessible on the Alameda CTC website
and you could also email them at ebgwinwinfo at alamedactc.org or you can
call 1-888-642-4555 but it is going to be a big project that's gonna be
fantastic for the city but we will be expected to see a lot of construction
workers and heavy equipment in the area. Thank you. Councilmember Victor Aguilar.
Thank you Mayor Gonzales. I just wanted a report that I attended the California
League of Cities on September 23rd to the 25th. We attended the opening session
with guest speaker Stephanie Chung who discussed how to apply practical brain
science to get a competitive edge and make leadership easier. She was a
fantastic speaker and got a lot of folks to work together within that
room. I attended various sessions like Manhattan beaches, model for
successfully reducing homelessness, e-bikes at a crossroads, what California
cities can do now, and also revitalizing downtowns without losing old
council. I attended various caucuses, receptions, most notably the Latino
caucus reception and the LGBTQ caucus and also the API caucus reception that
concludes my report. Thank you. Seeing no others I've just got a couple of quick
ones for myself. So first our October 12th work session. We will be canceling
that work session. We had very very short agenda and that item will be postponed
because it's not a crisis and we'll free up time for the council members. I do
want to say thank you to the San Leandro Chamber for all the work that they did around National
Manufacturing Day and the economic development team also supported those efforts. I attended
the meeting at Drake's which was the kind of the point where everyone got to socialize
and just relax a little bit, good connectivity at that meeting. I do want to thank the Friends
of Chabot. So this is the organization that supports students at Chabot College through
difficult times. And so they had their gala on Thursday night and raised some good money
to help students with emergency needs. And particularly for students that attend community
college, they tend to have a larger frequency of just things that make it hard for them
to get to school to deal with some of the stresses that they have in life. So very great
for the both the organizers and the many sponsors that they had that evening.
I'm not sure if I mentioned this last time so I'll mention at this time the
Alameda County Conference of Mayors. The mayor's unanimously passed a resolution
recommending that folks in the public vote no against Prop 43 and that's one
of the one of our public speakers commented on Prop 43 but I just want to
be very clear that the mayors of Alameda County stand united against Prop 43 and of course
we had over the last couple of days our court hearing and our bankruptcy matter and just
so the public knows that hearing did happen there are two competing plans on how to proceed
out of that bankruptcy and we await the judge's decision and of course we shouldn't forget
that it's Filipino heritage month throughout the nation.
And since 10% of our population is Filipino,
I think that's something that maybe the mayor
can do a better job of remembering
when we do our proclamations
because that is a material portion of our population.
So in celebration of Filipino,
none of it's Filipino American or just Filipino,
but we'll just, we'll mix those two together
and say we celebrate all of those of Filipino heritage
in the city of San Leandro.
And so with that, we are adjourned at 9.47.