Walnut Creek City Council: 11-14-2023

November 14, 2023 · City Council

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and we do not take public comment on proclamations,
but I will allow you to speak during public communications
on items not on the agenda.
So thank you for understanding
and look forward to your comments.
Good evening and welcome to the Tuesday,
November 14th, 2023 special meeting
of the Walnut Creek City Council.
The city council is conducting its meeting
under state laws and the Ralph M. Brown Act.
and the city council is in attendance
in the city council chamber along with city staff
and members of the public and we have no members
of the city council who are requesting this evening
that we take action on an item that would allow them
to participate in a meeting remotely
due to emergency circumstances.
And now if you will please rise
and join us in the pledge of allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America
to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice
for all. Would the city clerk please take the roll call councilmember darling here councilmember
Francois here Mayor Pro Tem Haskew here Mayor Silva here and councilmember Wilk is absent due to a
scheduled trip. I am very pleased this evening to be able to issue this proclamation to the Walnut
Creek Education Foundation. This school year, the Walnut Creek Education Foundation is celebrating
its 40th anniversary. The foundation was founded in 1983 after severe state funding cuts threatened
the elimination of elementary school libraries. Over the last 40 years, WCEF has grown to become
the main fundraising partner of the Walnut Creek School District and its seven schools.
Then some 20 years ago, WCEF joined forces with the Los Lomas Foundation to create a stronger
partner supporting some 5,000 students from K-12th grade. Today, WCEF is a $1.5 million
per year fundraising partner for these eight schools, supporting a variety of programs and
classes to ensure that all students receive a comprehensive education. Throughout its history,
WCEF had been a volunteer driven 501c3 and I am proud to have once served on its board of directors.
The goal of this anniversary celebration is simple, to celebrate, engage, and honor the work of WCEF
volunteers over the last 40 years. So as mayor and a former volunteer for WCEF and board member,
I am pleased to recognize on behalf of all of us on the Walnut Creek City Council the 40th
anniversary of the Walnut Creek Education Foundation and to thank the foundation for
its work to provide accessible and enriching education for students who attend public schools
in Walnut Creek. And if Joanna Grossman will meet me at the podium, I will present the
proclamation. Thank you, Mayor Silva and esteemed members
of the City Council. Tonight, I stand before you as a proud representative and as the executive
Director of WCEF, as the child of two retired school teachers in Sacramento.
This is my dream job, to be able to support our teachers and our students here.
And I also want to recognize our co-presidents this year, Erin King and Ina Rasputek.
We stand before you with a deep sense of gratitude and pride as we accept this proclamation,
recognizing the invaluable contributions of the volunteers and donors who have laid the
the foundation of support for eight public schools,
thousands of students in our greater community.
And I say that again, it's the volunteers and the donors
that I stand here representing.
And again, I'm very honored to do so.
Rita Pearson is an educator.
She once proclaimed that every child deserves a champion.
And the wonderful and unique thing about WCEF
is that we are a champion for students and teachers.
And so more champions and more teacher for students
is exactly why we exist.
We want to be a funding source that is stable
for critical needs for our schools
and enable our expert teachers and administrators
to do the jobs that they do so beautifully every day.
At Los Olmos High School,
our impact extends far beyond numbers.
Mayor Silva wonderfully summarized our 5,000 students
as well as our 3,300 families.
it really translates into tangible support
for those 5,000 students.
And the impact extends far beyond members.
It touches the lives of educators.
It enhances the learning environment,
and it fosters connections
within our diverse school communities.
At Los Alamos High School, where I have a senior,
seven distinct elementary schools
and middle school communities converge,
forming a rich tapestry of diversity.
And WCF is really that unifying thread
that brings those schools and that community together.
Through the generosity of our donors,
we weave a fabric of equity in education as well,
ensuring that every single student receives
the same type of education through our funding.
We cultivate an environment where every student,
irrespective of their background,
can not only thrive, but also succeed.
And can I allow Erin King to say a few words?
Sure.
So in reflecting on WCEF's 40 years of service,
our mission statement serves as our guiding light.
WCEF is a 501c3 volunteer-driven nonprofit
whose purpose, as encapsulated in our mission statement,
is to deliver comprehensive programs
and wellness initiatives that empower every student.
The word potential was carefully chosen,
where we cannot predict the future of 5,000 students
as they are yet to unfold.
However, we steadfastly believe that a rich education
complete with creative outlets and hands-on activities
driven by student choice are the keys
unlocking their full potential. Founded in 1983 by a dedicated group of
parents, WCEF emerged in response to a shortfall of state funding. Over the years
we have faced challenges, but each time our community rallied, raising over 15
million dollars to preserve essential components of education, including art,
music, libraries, wellness, and so much more. This is a true testament to our
community's collective determination to provide students with the resources they
need and deserve. Looking ahead our goal for this academic year is to raise 1.5
million. This ambitious target will fund 20 salaries of elementary art music and
science lab teachers and specialists, 12 additional elective classes for middle
schoolers, credentialed librarian, 13 additional elective classes at Las Lomas
high school, and support for the Los Lomas Wellness Center as well as College and Career Center.
We extend our sincere gratitude to the more than 900 donors who stand with us in support of WCF in
our schools, our 40th anniversary platinum business partners Kaiser Permanente and Smile Power,
and our local business partners. We also acknowledge our partner districts Superintendent
Marie Morgan, Superintendent Dr. John Nickerson, and the Wollong Creek School District,
Las Lomas teachers and staff, as well as our PTA, PTO, and PTSA partners at our eight schools.
Their support is a cornerstone of our success. In closing, we acknowledge that it truly takes
the village and ours is vast and remarkable. May silver and esteemed city council members,
Your recognition tonight reinforces the great schools as a connective tissue of our community.
Together, let us continue to build a future where every student has the opportunity to thrive,
learn and become engaged, thoughtful leaders of our community and world, so desperately in need.
Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you for being here this evening. It will be a few minutes
before public communications is opened because we have a few other items on the agenda in the
meantime. The next item is a presentation from the city staff and I think the nonprofit partner
on the economic and social impact of arts and culture in Walnut Creek. Good evening.
Good evening Mayor Silva and members of the council. My name is Elizabeth Orcutt. My pronouns
are she her and I'm proud to be our community relations manager for the city of Walnut Creek's
Arts and Recreation Department. And tonight I come with more really great
news. So I will be presenting the Economic and Social Impact Study of
Nonprofit Arts and Culture organizations and their audiences here in the city of
Walnut Creek, how it directly impacts us from this national study. This newly
released iteration of the survey is building upon a 30-year legacy. So they
know what they're doing, they've implemented the work of brilliant
economists and continue to develop and enhance the way that they're giving us
these numbers. So before I dive into those numbers though and how they
pertain to us here in the city of Walnut Creek, I want to highlight again that
Americans for the Arts, the national organization hosting this survey, uses
complex methods and calculations derived by those economists to provide this
trusted data. It will help us increase support for arts and culture, inclusive
equitable policies and programs and a thriving local workforce. When we invest
in arts and culture we invest in an industry that strengthens our economy and
builds more livable communities. I want to encourage you to picture a recent
arts and culture experience that you have had and I know you're all
wonderful supporters of the arts and culture industry here so start to
picture that what that process looks like all of the steps that you go
through to make that a successful experience for you your family and your
friends, perhaps it's from purchasing the tickets,
getting your tickets scanned at the door
by our smiling staff, scanning said tickets,
making your dinner reservations, parking in the garage,
perhaps a ride share, taking part,
your means of getting there.
And also the technicians that are on site designing,
operating the lights and the music,
perhaps even the performance or exhibition
that represents endless hours of rehearsal and practice.
This single experience is multifaceted and representative
of this thriving industry.
Of the facts and figures
that we'll continue to dive into tonight,
if you walk away with two,
I would love for them to be these two.
So let me know if you have dreams about them tonight.
But in 2022, Arts and Cultures are non-profit
arts and culture organizations
and their audiences generated 36.1 million
in economic activity in Walnut Creek.
Attendees at the city of Walnut Creek's non-profit
arts and culture events spent an average of $34.64 on top of the price of their admission
and on-site refreshments.
So that's in addition to those costs, that's the average spend.
So zooming back out a little bit, this survey used, it's truly a collective effort.
Americans for the Arts partnered with almost 300 local, regional, and statewide organizations
and it includes detailed findings from 373 studies,
including all 50 states and Puerto Rico,
ranging in population size from 4,000 to 4 million.
So quite the array.
This study could not have been completed
with said participants, and the city of Walnut Creek's
Arts and Recreation Department is really proud
to be one of these partners, research partners.
Separate of the economic analysis
that takes place for this study,
This survey was comprised of two main parts,
an audience intercept survey
and data reported directly by non-profit arts
and culture organizations.
To measure the impact of spending
by audiences here in Walnut Creek,
data was collected from nearly 2000 attendees
between July 2022 and June of 2023.
We used passive promotion
and ramped up targeted solicitation at 36 shows
where we use support from staff and volunteers.
Of that data collected directly
by the participating nonprofit organizations,
we worked with 29 really closely.
And so we are really grateful for them
and I'll get to their names in a moment here.
But of those 29 directly related,
they have an aggregate total attendee
of almost 450,000 in 2022 alone.
That's reported directly from those 29.
So as you can imagine,
if we were working with even more organizations,
what that number would look like.
And that's all included here in this study.
The spending by their audiences, that nearly $450,000,
is directly responsible for $15.6 million.
And I mentioned those participating organizations.
I will leave this up here for just a brief moment
because while the Lesher Center may be the biggest influence,
these 29 organizations provided incredibly valuable data that
helped us shape the full picture
of nonprofit arts and culture here in Walnut Creek.
So we are really grateful for the time that they took
out of their busy nonprofit schedules
to participate and provide information for us.
We're grateful for that,
but we're also grateful for the arts and culture
that they contribute to our city as a whole on the regular.
So arts and culture is commerce,
even though it's often lauded as an amenity
that improves community livability,
which is true, it's important that they receive the proper recognition as businesses.
They employ people locally, purchasing supplies and services from nearby businesses, and engage
in the marketing and promotion of their cities and regions.
In fact, they're very active doing business, has a positive impact on our local economy.
We're proud to contribute data gathered through this survey to the city's economic development
action plan that's currently being created by staff and alongside with our community
partners. So the information from this study will be reflected in that analysis as well.
So here's that 36.1 again. So again let me know if you have dreams about it tonight.
But in 2022 arts and culture organizations and their audiences generated 36.1 million dollars
in economic activity in Walnut Creek. 20.5 of that is spending by the organizations themselves
whereas the 15.6 is event related audience spending. You might be curious how this compares
to the last arts and economic prosperity study that happened in 2017 and while it's not recommended
that we directly and we directly compare it's a little bit of apples to oranges if you will
I will share some information um if we can keep three things in mind that in addition to ongoing
recovery from the effects of COVID-19 the methods and economic calculations used to measure the
fiscal impacts have changed so those economists that we're working with they're continually
changing that structure.
Plus, the different activities, groups, and individuals have been surveyed and cannot
be directly compared.
Lastly, the latest survey includes an additional social impact markers that were not previously
implemented.
So with those caveats in mind, the total economic activity from the 2017 survey, which covered
years 2015 to 2016, was higher at 41.5 million.
And this comes as no surprise to us due to the post pandemic decrease in audience numbers
across the country, across the industry, and it's reflected here as well.
However, as you can see, the average dollar amount spent per person has increased from
31.90 to $34.64.
Arts and culture jobs are highly local in nature.
Dollars spent on human resources typically stay within a community for longer, thereby
having a greater local economic impact, if you can imagine all the multipliers
that take place with that. So this economic activity directly supported 593
jobs in Walnut Creek and generated 5.9 million dollars in tax revenue. In the
same vein of retaining local residents and their discretionary dollars, here in
the community, let's dive into audience spending for a moment. For this survey,
local is defined as a resident of Contra Costa County. So when people attend a
cultural event they often make an outing of it as we were picturing in the
beginning there perhaps dining paying for parking public transit enjoying
dessert or a nightcap after a show and returning home to pay for childcare pet
care attendees of the city Walnut Creek's arts and culture events spend that
average of $34.64 on top of the price of admission and on-site refreshments this
is vital income for local merchants and a value add that few industries can
compete with. This spending generated a total of 2.6 million dollars in tax
revenue. Of the nearly 2,000 audience survey respondents here in Walnut Creek
we captured their zip codes and so that led us of their primary residents
excuse me and so that allows us to determine which attendees were local
residents of the county and which were visiting from outside the county which
garnered some interesting information for us. In the city of Walnut Creek a
little over 70% of those 450 attendees were residents and 28.2 were non-residents. Non-local
attendees do spend an average of about 40% more than our local from the county attendees,
which can be expected for additional transportation, overnight stay, and additional meals. Of the
non-local survey respondents, a little over 93%,
reported that the primary purpose of their visit
to Walnut Creek was specifically to attend
the performance event, exhibit, venue, or facility
where they were surveyed.
This is up from 65.5% in 2017,
which I found interesting.
77.2% of non-local attendees responded
that they would have traveled elsewhere
for a similar arts and culture experience.
And so to me, this makes me really proud of the investments that we've made in arts and
culture here in the city of Walnut Creek.
In doing so and supporting the Headliner Series at the Lester Center for the Arts for Center
Repertory Company.
All of our wonderful at the Bedford Gallery, all of the investments we're making is making
a difference because people are wanting to travel.
So we want them to travel here.
So thank you for supporting those investments.
And I've been sharing how the arts and culture industry powers our economy and supports local
but it is important to note the social impacts as well.
As you can see by these numbers, audiences are in agreement
that the activity or venue is inspiring a sense of pride
in the neighborhood or community,
that they would feel a great sense of loss
if the activity or venue were no longer available.
And the venue or facility is an important pillar
for them within the community.
So it's clear from our personal experiences
and the data from AEP 6,
that shared cultural experiences strengthen
a sense of belonging and community pride.
So with that, the essential,
the essentialness of this industry when the arts are funded.
So we have this updated data that showcases
their positive effects on our economy
and the lives of ourselves and our neighbors.
In fact, these survey findings tell us that
even if someone in our community
isn't directly interacting with the arts,
which we all believe that they should,
even if they're not, they're still benefiting from them
and having them here in our community.
So it's undeniable that arts and culture experiences
are an integral part of what makes Walnut Creek
a thriving city.
So as some of our biggest champions,
our ask of the city council and everyone in the chambers
tonight is that you keep these facts and figures in mind
and share them far and wide as you're promoting arts
and culture throughout Walnut Creek and the greater region.
Together we can share the impactful role
of arts and culture.
I have a couple of thank yous, but I did want to pause
if you had any questions for us.
questions from Council members for Elizabeth.
Interesting data and I look forward to
seeing what else you wanna tell us.
Thank you.
I do wanna wrap with three quick thank yous that,
to pay special not acknowledgement to the volunteers,
the ushers and the staff that helped promote
our participation in the Arts and Economic Prosperity Study.
They helped us solicit those survey responses
and to help spread the news
that we were collecting information,
to the community organizations that we showcased
and I have on a handout I can share with others,
that perform or do business in Walnut Creek
and especially here at the Luscious Center for the Arts,
to all of the individual patrons
that took a couple minutes out of their cultural experience
to complete the survey.
You can imagine you're there to see a show,
why would you want to stop and take a quick survey?
But it was really useful information for us to have
and will help us to increase our arts and culture here.
So that's really valuable information
We're grateful for, and then lastly to you,
thank you for your time and attention this evening
for allowing me to present these really exciting findings
and your ongoing support and leadership of arts and culture
here in the city of Walnut Creek.
The Mayor Pro Tem, first of all, thank you.
And thank you to all of the representatives
of our arts organizations who are here tonight.
The Mayor Pro Tem has questions or a comment,
and I actually do have a couple of questions.
Would you let?
No, would you like to do questions?
Because I'm only going to be saying nice things.
Well, my questions are nice.
Okay, I'll ask a couple of questions.
You had 449,289 attendees.
That's not just at the Lesher Center.
No, I did see.
So we were looking at other venues and events.
Can you give us a couple of examples
of the other venues and events?
Certainly, and the meat of that to keep in mind
is that those are the survey responses,
and so with that economic analysis
and all of their number crunching,
they're able to expand that for what it would look like
for the city as a whole.
So that's how they use that.
The survey responses we collected in person
at the Lesher Center, plus the data
from those 29 organizations.
So they use those to kind of help us garner
what it would look like for the city as a whole.
So while we didn't do direct audience intercept surveys,
is what they call them, between either digital
or paper ones that we had on site,
we didn't do those at a lot of our other locations,
any locations necessarily, but that's where that data
from those participating organizations
proved really helpful.
So for example, the Art and Wine Festival,
because I saw the Chamber of Commerce
was acknowledged on there.
So we weren't out doing audience intercept surveys
while people were enjoying an Art and Wine Festival.
Correct, yes, we were not.
Okay.
We were able to extract the data.
Exactly. That's a much better word for it.
And when is the next time we would do this survey?
Because it's labor intensive, I can recognize that.
It's hosted every five years.
This one was postponed, I believe 16 months or so
due to COVID-19.
So I would imagine that we'll do five years from this.
They won't go back.
So everyone's doing the survey at the same time.
So you get data from other regions and communities
as well.
Correct.
Great.
That's more of a cross-section.
Thank you.
Any other questions?
Thank you very much for all you're doing.
Thank you for all the work that went into this.
This is, I assume, part of the strategic plan process that the Lesser is putting together.
Maybe you could just put it a little bit in context of what you're planning on doing with
this information.
Certainly.
Well, some of the numbers, I think it's been exciting to connect with our managers and
especially our general manager, the Losers Center for the Arts.
We actually have our executive director of Diablo Regional Arts Association here with
So if you want to capitalize on this but it is exciting to see which
numbers stand out to our different managers what how we're interacting with
them in fact one thing number that I was really lighting me up today I shared
with Carolyn earlier is that I think it was over 35% of our non-local attendees
that were surveyed it was their first time at the Luscher Center and to me
that is a huge win and that's showcasing that our investments in our increased marketing,
our thinking of ourselves with this more regional footprint is really paying off because that seems
like a really big number to me that I was excited about. Thank you Elizabeth Carolyn Jackson,
General Manager at the Lesher Center. This is very directly tied to our strategic planning in that
one of the goals that the council set as we looked at coming back from COVID was how is the center
going to be a regional draw at the same level as it was previously, what's going to be needed
for that? And we really focused on programming being the driver for that programming and then
marketing that really successfully. So I think what we're seeing with these numbers is it makes
a big difference when we attract outside of the county in terms of the impact that we then have
in Walnut Creek and on our local businesses. And it just quantifies the value beyond, like Elizabeth
said the value to our community of what we're doing but the value of the
headliner series center rep Bedford gallery the scale and quality of what we
do is essential to then driving that arts tourism driving that economic
activity downtown and making our entire you know downtown and city really
vibrant so I think it just again was committing to like we're on the right
track right we're seeing the results despite the impacts of the pandemic
we're still seeing really large numbers from this economic impact study even
though, you know, we're still on that road to recovery. So thank you.
The 36 million stuck with me. I remembered it. But I'm wondering, have
other theaters, you know, in San Francisco, other or maybe other Palo Alto,
other more regional theater, did they experience a similar drop in revenue or
do we not know? I don't know about the exact numbers in revenue, but when we
were getting the initial results from the Arts and Economic Prosperity Study, their
project leads did reach out to be like, just so you know, the reported attendance compared
to, you know, the previous study is lower. And this is what we're seeing across the board.
Nobody's reporting higher numbers. So they kind of gave us that heads up of like, this
is going to have an impact. We don't know how much it because we haven't done the analysis,
but we know that the reported attendance is low.
And that was covering the years like 2020 to 2022 or?
For audience or for organizations reporting their audience attendance, it was the fiscal
year 2022.
So depending on your organization, that was either calendar year 2022, or July 21, right
to June 22.
Thank you.
And remind me, did you, do you have national figures, or are they still processing that
data?
we do have that.
I don't have it right at the right time.
Did I blank out at one point?
No, I just don't have that one memorized, actually.
We do have it, so I could provide that to you.
All right, thank you.
Again, very reflective.
So we are consistent with other regional theaters.
Broadway and New York, I mean.
Broadway is actually not included
in these, similar to the same as movie theaters.
It's all on its own.
We're very much on standard, and we're actually, we are blowing the median out of the water
as well from our cohort, so you can share it, break one out by your population.
So within our population cohort of 50,000 to 99, we blow that median out of the water.
Thank you.
And just a shameless plug, if you haven't seen a tale of Georgia McBride, it is fabulous.
It's edgy.
It's funny.
painting, and one of the actors cut his finger at the night the performance we were there.
The show stopped. We thought there was going to be a scream of, is there a doctor in the
house? No need. Came back on. But anyway, it's a fabulous production.
Yes, he's doing great.
He's perfectly fine.
There's got to be some more to, it's got to go for another week or so, right?
Yes, because it runs through November 26th.
All right, there you go. Georgia McBride.
It's my turn. Mayor Pro Tem, thank you. The theater of course has been one of the
things that has made my heart go pittypack for many many years. So I want
to emphasize that almost everybody who attends the theater goes away with a
giant smile on their face, but for those pieces of art, plays and operas that are
designed to be tragedies and then they go away with the appropriate amount of
sadness. The programs that we put on for the youth, the Arts Access, would you
tell us a little bit about that please? I might bring our wonderful executive
director of Diablo Regional Arts Association up to tell us that's a
program of DRAAs, is there Arts Access? She can tell us a little bit more about
about that. Thank you so happy to be here thank you for the opportunity and our
Tescue school time programs started many years ago and it was to bring kids from
title one schools to experience arch programs at the leisure center of the highest
quality that they would not have had the opportunity to do otherwise and it was
more than just a field trip we did study guys we did pre and post activities in
the classrooms. Our goal was to make sure these students had access to the
wonderful programs for the Lesher Center. I must admit since COVID it's been a
little bit of a challenge but I'm excited to share that we've got we're
working with four major performances this upcoming year with a focus on
Title I in schools and we're also going to be doing more in the schools. We're
expanding our artists and residency program. We have 11 artists that will be
visiting classrooms and various community organizations.
So hopefully that will have impact as well.
That's kind of the evolution of the program.
And we hope that will make a huge impact
for these students as well.
So thank you.
So is there a variety of things presented at the theater?
For example, what kind of plays?
What kind of age groups?
What kind of classical performances?
You're speaking to my marketing heart right now,
so thank you for teeing that up.
There's something for everyone
at the Lesher Center for the Arts.
We have all genres of performance art,
dance, music, theater, musicals,
a wide range in each of those areas as well.
So if you're a tribute band fan, they're there for you.
If you're a jazz band, they're there for you.
If you wanna see a wonderful ballet, we have that as well.
So there's this huge range of opportunities
with both our in-house programs
and our wonderful rental clients
and our cornerstone producers, some of which are here.
I see you, California Symphony,
who have been longstanding clients of ours.
And in addition to the performing arts,
you can have a visual art experience
with the Bedford Gallery
and with our public art walking tours.
And with every ticket to the Lesher Center,
you are able to go before the show
to visit the current exhibition in the gallery.
so make time not just to go to dinner beforehand,
but to make sure you can stop in the gallery
before you go find your seats,
so that you have that full, well-rounded experience.
Thank you.
The commercial is done.
The only other thing I wanna note is, Elizabeth,
I think this is your first formal presentation
before the council, yeah, did a fine job.
Thank you.
And it's easier from this point forward,
so thank you very much. Thank you.
It helps to have such exciting news to share with you,
So thank you again for your support.
Thank you very much.
There's a large list of holiday entertainment as well.
I announced a lot of it in the mayor's report
that was recorded on Friday.
But get your tickets fast,
particularly to things like a Christmas carol.
It is the Christmas carol for the Bay Area,
according to the critics.
Next item on the agenda is our consent calendar.
We have two items on the consent calendar this evening.
Does any council member wish to speak
to either of those items?
Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion.
Do you want a public comment?
Oh, well, maybe.
Does any member of the public wish to speak to us
on the consent calendar?
I don't see anything?
All right, now I'll entertain a motion.
Move to approve the consent calendar items to A and to B.
Second.
We have a motion and a second
To approve consent calendar items 2A and 2B,
would the clerk please take the roll call vote?
Mayor Pro Tem Pascu?
Aye.
Council member Francois?
Aye.
Council member Darlene?
Aye.
Mayor Silva?
Aye.
Motion carries unanimously.
Now we're back for public comment on items
not on the agenda.
This is an opportunity for members of the public
to make comment on items that were not
on our agenda this evening.
This will include the proclamation
that was referenced earlier.
Under the Brown Act, the council cannot act on items raised
public communications but may respond briefly to statements made or questions
posed, may request clarification or refer the item to staff and consistent with
our handbook section 9.5 we will allow 30 min up to 30 minutes at this point in
time for public comment and then we will defer any that exceed the 30 minute time
limit to after the rest of our business items. Each person will have up to two
minutes to speak and so I will call out your names Amelia Whalen, Heidi Hernandez
Gaddy, Craig Davini, and Vincent Morales. If you will line up that would be great.
So I just go for it? Okay, hi. So I'm Amelia Whalen. I'm the wellness
coordinator at Los Lomas High School. For those of you who know me keeping this to
two minutes is like a heroic act but I'm gonna do my best. But I'm here to
represent Los Lomas, and more specifically,
the Wellness Center, which I oversee,
to thank Walnut Creek Education Foundation
for all the support that they've provided to us
and our students over the years.
They've had a vital role in supporting student mental health
at our school for a very long time,
and had a very important role in us
creating the wellness centers in 2017.
Fully understanding the importance of us
having a comprehensive mental health space on campus,
providing a safe community for students
and extending services to them and their families.
Because we've been able to create these centers,
we've been able to support student mental health
in many ways.
Last year alone, approximately 500 students came through,
either seeking some sort of ongoing mental health support
or drop-in services.
I really can't emphasize enough the importance of WCEF
and us being able to accomplish this task
and being able to de-stigmatize mental health
at our school population and just ensure
that students and families get access
to the support that they need.
Through their ongoing support,
we're able to continue doing this
and I am very, very grateful for everything
that's been done for our students
because of everything that they've offered, so.
Thank you all.
Thank you very much.
Could I just have one quick,
just to say thank you for everything you guys do at the Wellness Center. My
children went through Los Lomas before then and my daughter lost a friend to
suicide and then when she went to college she started in a peer support
program there and when I told her that it was now happening at Los Lomas she was
so grateful because you know hopefully you guys could reach kids like her
friend before they get to that point. So thank you. Thank you so much for your
kind words appreciate it. Next speaker. Good evening. My name is Heidi Hernandez
Gaddy and I'm proud to stand in front of you as the board president of the
Walnut Creek School District but really I'm going to speak about my own
experiences with WCEF. For 40 years WCEF has supported the Walnut Creek
community with a sharp focus on ensuring our children have access to the best
education our community can provide. This institution has been powered by
generations of volunteers who have supported WCEF and the Walnut Creek
School District community, growing from modest supportive libraries to
providing essential funds that cover the education funding gap that prioritize
our children not only in the classroom but as you've just heard through their
wellness and well-being. I joined the WCEF board when my oldest child who's now a
senior at Los Lomas was in the first grade as a site representative for
Walnut Heights Elementary. And over the years since I first supported WCEF
from a $650,000 a year organization in just these 10 years, we've seen a
thoughtful move to collaborative fundraising and a foundation that
supports 1.5 million dollars in essential programming for the Walnut
Creek School District and our Los Lomas High School. WCEF has been an integral
partner in the provision of an excellent education for our students for their wellness and well-being
and for our community as a whole. It is an expression of what we all do when we act together.
Thank you, WCEF, to the current board of directors and the generations of volunteers,
past, present, and future, for taking the time to invest in our students and our community.
I look forward to being a supporter of this institution that plays such an important role
to our children's education in our community from years to come. Thank you so much.
Thank you very much. And could you take a moment and introduce the superintendent who's here and
perhaps other members of the governing board?
I would be delighted to. I would love to welcome Marie Morgan, who is the superintendent of the Walnut Creek School District.
And we have current and past board members, Amy Moss and Katie Pena, here with us today.
Thank you.
I think it's safe to say that WCEF has also provided a pipeline for leadership in our community that shouldn't be underestimated.
Thank you very much. The next speaker looks very familiar. We were on this
dais last night together for the Affordable Housing Forum. Thank you.
Hi Vincent, nice to see you. Good evening. My name is Vincent Morales and the
chief business official at the Walnut Creek School District
and on behalf of our district I want to thank the city for recognizing and
celebrating the 48th anniversary of Walnut Creek Education Foundation.
They had been a vital force behind our student success.
the foundation's impact is tangible funding art, music, science, electives among other things that
our schools and our students thrive and for that we're truly grateful. Congratulations to the BCF
for 40 years many more. Thank you. Thank you very much. Next speaker please. Good evening Mayor Silva,
council members. My name is Craig Divini. My wife and I, Jennifer, have been living here in
Walnut Creek for the last 18 years raising our three boys. My oldest is now graduating from
Las Lomas with Jack back here and my youngest is currently a sixth grader at Tice Creek and
my wife and I have been supporting WCEF at the gold member level for the last five years and I
just wanted to share with you how it's impacted our lives the most and that was probably through
through the opening of the Tice Creek School.
I know that wouldn't have been possible
without the funding that was provided by WCEF.
We were attracted to the K through eight,
kind of smaller environment,
allows the middle school kids to be big fish
in a small pond instead of a small fish in a big pond.
We liked the project-based learning
and we were really inspired by talking to the teachers,
hearing their enthusiasm for opening this new school.
So it's been a big contribution to our lives
and we really appreciate the WCEF, Joanna Grossman
and all members of the WCEF
for what they put into this organization.
And thank you to city council for recognizing them.
The value it brings to our community, to our students.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Are any other members of the public here this evening
that would like to speak on an item
not on the agenda tonight?
Yes, please come forward.
Good evening, Mayor Silva, esteemed members of the council,
and my Roland Creek School District board members
and, of course, WCA board members.
Try to speak into the microphone.
And to do that, you need to probably look at us
more than the audience.
OK, let me do that.
I know you want to make them feel comfortable,
but then no one can hear you.
Good evening, I'm Sonali, a proud Roland Creek parent.
And I've also been a Roland Creek board
for the last six years, with a daughter in sixth grade at Tice Creek and a son
who's a Los Lomas graduate and now a freshman at Lucy Berkeley, I've had the
opportunity to view the full spectrum of how WCEF is enabling our kids. During
parent outreach as a side trap, I always emphasize that our contribution is an
investment that I have personally seen maturing into successful returns. Without
Without any doubt, the role of WCEF in providing elementary art, music, science, PE, and library
is crucial.
But as a parent, I felt that it is in the middle, and especially high school, that the
role of WCEF really kicks in in high gear.
Electives ranging from woodshop and auto shop to AP lit, AP computer science, and numerous
medical and engineering pathways, pathway classes to choose from, gives our kids the
opportunity to explore and excel.
The norm in the State of California is for high schools to have five periods.
Even good school districts bordering the Silicon Valley are offering six.
Our kids get seven.
Talking to parents with elementary and even preschool age kids, I find they immediately
relate to this as something tangible that you can hold in your hand.
It's your child's schedule comprised of seven periods.
The sheer opportunity of being able to offer them ten extra periods each week opens up
possibilities and supports their potential towards a successful path
after high school. Having recently traversed the competitive universe of
college applications, I appreciate the fact that WCEF enables our students to
bring a full high school experience to the table. It was because of the seven
periods and a wide range of electives, both funded by WCEF, that my son was
able to take 10 AP classes, an honors class, leadership for three years and even
squeeze in a TA position in his senior year and each of those helped him get
accepted at his dream school. Our kids are going to great universities or
forging their paths whenever else their passion and creativity takes them
because our community is fortunate to have this foundation which catalyzes
whatever we can give it. So please complete your sentence. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Next speaker please. Good evening everyone. My name is Kieran Saluja and I
am a mother of three kids in the school system. I have a fifth grader, a seventh
grader, and a ninth grader, and I have also been a parent volunteer at WCEF and
I just have to say I am beyond grateful to WCEF for the opportunities and the
support that they provide all students from TK to 12th grade. When I look in
this world that we're living in, it feels ever more competitive and demanding
of our kids in particular and the funds that are raised really gives our
students the chance to explore interests, discover new passions from a very young
age like for their whole academic career so that they can I think enter the world,
graduate from high school with a little more direction and a little more
guidance on what comes next and it's so wonderful that we actually do all this
with a keen focus on also their social emotional well-being through the Wellness Center.
So I just want to thank WCEF and its community of donors for the gifts that we are giving
to our children, and I'm so excited for another 40 years with WCEF.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Sarah, anyone else here that wishes to speak to us on items not on the agenda?
And I will close public community comments and bring it back to council.
Thank you all very much for being here.
And we are now going to the next item on our agenda, which is council member and
staff announcements, reports on activities or requests.
I will start with the city attorney.
Do we have any reports on closed session announcements?
There are no reports this evening, Madam Mayor.
Thank you.
City Manager.
Yeah, good evening, Dan Buckshi, City Manager.
I do have one announcement I would like to acknowledge
and congratulate our deputy city clerk, Amy Hevener,
as this is her last meeting with us
as she will become the town clerk
for the town of Moraga come Monday.
And I think I can safely speak for everyone
that I'm really proud of Amy in accomplishing this.
This is not an opportunity that just came out of the blue
and fell in her lap.
It's one that she's worked towards
for the last several years.
Amy started here at the city eight,
almost nine years ago now,
I think you're sneaking up on nine,
and starts as an executive assistant
working in public works,
and did that for four years.
And while I'm sure she really enjoyed
working with Heather in public works,
she decided to move on over to the city manager's office.
I mean, can't blame her for that, really, but.
And took a position as an assistant
to the city clerk in 2019.
And as we all know, within a year of doing that,
COVID hit and we transitioned to Zoom,
which is a really big deal in city clerk world
running meetings.
And I'm sure as you all recall,
Amy was the guru running the mayor's conference
Zoom meetings as there were some folks
who were not well versed in that technology.
So Amy ran that for quite some time
and did a great job of doing so.
And then Amy pursued her municipal clerk certification
in 2021 and became our deputy city clerk in 2022.
So this has been a nice progression
and a lot of investment in Amy and professional growth.
And it's nice to see it come to fruition
and wish you all the best, Amy.
All right, to the council members.
Mayor Pro Tem, I didn't draw the short straw.
Since we only had a week,
it was hard to get some stuff in, but I managed.
I went to the Walnut Creek downtown meeting
and they reviewed some of our holiday plans coming up
as well as we did for the board,
a review of the arts in August
and the review of the committee
that gave the information about
how maybe we should change it
to something more completely summer.
Won't sound as good as arts in August,
but we've got creative people, we'll solve that.
We also heard about the Chinese delegation
While our mayor was being a Chinese delegate in China,
China sent some people so that we wouldn't miss her
and they had a lovely time learning about Walnut Creek.
I also attended the trans pack meeting
and we're planning on sending out the information
for the organizations that we support for the elderly
and the people who need assistance.
And see, did I write something?
And that's it for that.
And may I say that the Veterans Day service commemoration
that we had at the theater on Saturday
was among the most moving that I think we've done
in all the time I've attended them
and I've attended a great number of them.
So thank you very much, Mayor Silva.
and also Betty Burkhardt and all of the people
that helped put it together, it was amazing.
So thank you.
Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.
Council Member Darling.
It's only been a week, so this will be short.
I did, the Walnut Creek Homeless Task Force
got together with a number of folks
to have a workshop last night
that Mayor Silva represented us at.
We are going to be debriefing on that on Wednesday
and we'll talk about how wonderful you did here
helping to run the meeting.
But there was a lot of good messages that came out of that.
The focus was on myths around affordable housing.
And I think you guys did a great job
of dispelling some of it.
I even learned as much as I've worked around the stuff.
I learned a lot from it.
MCE will be meeting later this week
and considering the city of Hercules joining MCE,
I think at that point, there might be two cities left
in Contra Costa County that are not MCE members.
So we will be considering that this week
and I look forward to reporting that
we let them come on board.
Council Member Francois.
Mayor, I have a few meetings later this week,
but I did not have any in the last week,
so no report from me.
Well, I have a few things to report.
First, I would like to tag on to the Mayor Pro Tem
and say thank you to the Lesher Center staff
the communications staff for everything you did to make Veterans Day come off so smoothly.
And it is always an honor to be able to honor those who have served.
And it was shocking when I was looking at the data to realize that over the 17 years
I've been on this council, the number of times I've had to announce the number of veterans
that we have, it's down to 16 million and only 120,000 from World War II.
And that's rapidly declining because they are coming onto a hundred.
And so we have to be mindful of that I think every day that those who really set the framework
from the middle of the 19th, 20th century to today have, are departing very rapidly
now.
But thank you again to staff for that help.
I also want to thank staff for the work that they put in the communications team to help
the affordable housing forum last night,
and that forum will be repeating virtually,
and so hopefully we can get a schedule for that
so we can post that and people can watch it,
because there was some interesting information.
And Vincent Morales was the participant
from the Walnut Creek School District
really representing employers.
And he talked about 80% of the Walnut Creek School District's
budget is in salaries, but they're not all about teachers.
And just about every employee of the district
is in need of affordable housing
because they don't meet the income requirements.
They are rent burdened or cost burdened for housing
to be able to live in the community.
And I wanna thank the chief and Stephanie Brynan
who are housing manager who participated as well.
And the chief was not only an interesting presentation
on crime statistics related to multifamily housing
is what it really came down to.
But also you had some interesting statistics and studies
just on housing affordability and its importance.
And we have to keep things like that in mind
as we talk about it.
I did the farmer's market on Sunday,
and I wanna tell you, it was fascinating.
I started at 10 30 rather than 10.
And so I ran until 12 30.
I had more people talk to me,
new residents of the community.
I was handing out every booklet that we could find.
Oh, try the Arts and Rec Guide.
It's almost stale, but use it as a guide
for what you might be looking for
because the programs don't change that.
Oh, here's the Lesher Center, here's this.
Oh, here's a map of the open space.
Here's how you find it.
That makes me feel so good because new residents
are so excited to be here and that's great,
plus interesting conversations on other topics as well.
This, today I had the honor of welcoming 40 students
from our Friendship City of Kita City, Japan,
which is right outside of Tokyo.
They are eighth graders.
They are visiting the students at Seven Hills.
They have an exchange with Seven Hills School.
And they have been here for 10 days.
They had fascinating questions, really good questions.
Like, what's the city's specialty?
I said arts.
Or what makes us, you know, I wasn't quite sure
what that meant, but you know,
from an eighth grader, you'd think,
hmm, okay, what do you mean?
It's not agriculture, it's not manufacturing,
it's arts, shopping and dining, health care,
and even some of the local residents
who were participating with them had an interesting comment
that they learned something in the conversation,
so that's a good thing.
This week is the National Conference
for the National League of Cities,
and we will be making recommendations on federal policy advocacy points of view and I will be in
attendance representing Walnut Creek and last week um about leaders of the League of California
cities so representatives of the policy committees the division regional divisions and departments
met to do a preliminary assessment of 500 pieces of input on what should be the focus of the League
of California cities for the coming year no surprises out of the top 10 items
three of the more fiscal sustainability which aligns with also the threats of
the California Business Roundtable and the change in the way those that would
occur and then public safety and housing and homelessness so more to follow on
that thank you all for what you do and what I know you will continuing to
Continue to be thinking about as we go through the Thanksgiving holidays
next item on the agenda is the public hearing and
This is a request to provide alternative public benefit for phase two of the way mark at the public Walnut Creek transit village
And before we begin and before staff begins. I'm going to ask each of us to report ex parte contacts. I
Went out with Ryan McNamara this morning to walk the area to get an idea of the layout
So that's when we discussed the issue that's on the agenda tonight
And I too spoke with Ryan this afternoon and exchanged some email messages about the item that's on the agenda. I
Had a zoom conversation very short yesterday a little bit
Trying to even figure out what we were talking about
And I had a coffee meeting with Ryan McNamara and Brad Blake yesterday and a phone conversation with Brad Griggs today and
No, I wouldn't tell them how I was voting
Because I don't know yet. All right
We're gonna start with
Chip good evening
Set the stage. Thank you mayor pro Tim council. My name is Chip Griffin
I'm a principal planner with planning division community development and tonight
we're going to take a look at a request from the Walnut Creek Transit Village in
regards to the public benefits associated with the Weymark, specifically
the Pringle Passage. I had the same problem two weeks ago. There it is, okay. So
specifically, the Walnut Creek Transit Village Phase 2, it's also known as the
Weymark, requests that the City Council allow a change to the public benefits
associated with the increased building heights, height allowances from
with a general plan about it.
Let's see if I can get rid of that.
Request would be to exchange the benefit of public access
through the Pringle Passage in exchange for limited use,
limited public use of the Great Hall.
All right.
In context, I think we all know where the transit village is,
but for those in the audience, and I am a planner,
so I put the land use designation
and zoning designations up there.
It's mixed use residential,
and it's a planned development zoning PD 2113.
I'm sure we all have memories of that.
Shown here is a Walnut Creek Transit Village.
Phase one here where the cursor is is the new garage,
the parking garage, which was phase one.
Moving north is the original BART garage.
This here is phase three and building one
and building two of phase three.
And this would be the Pringle Passage area
or alignment between the two buildings.
Over here is phase three, and that is to be determined.
I would expect a redesign for phase three coming soon.
In context, we have North South
running North California Boulevard here,
Ignacio Valley Road in this area running east to west,
and then we have the North South Caltrans Corridor
And Pringle Avenue up here is the boundaries
of the transit village.
We also show the yellow line would be the alignment
for the rail.
And then right in this area, right in the center,
is this station.
It's surrounded by the Golden Triangle
to the north of Business Park,
the Ignacio Center to the east.
We have Target down here to the southeast.
And then here's the Vaya.
So that's our surrounding context.
In context for phase two specifically, we have building one and building two.
The Pringle Stare over here, which I hope everybody's seen, it's beautiful.
We have the Pringle Passage right in this alignment here between,
leading from Pringle to the to the BART station itself.
In this area, this building right here at the end is the Great Hall.
And station access can be provided vehicularly with pedestrians and bikes here,
and then pedestrians and bikes here.
We also show this would be the gate at the other end of the Pringle Passage
from the stair and I think that that does it.
So the benefit package was approved by the City Council in 2012
and included many entitlements including a general plan amendments
and specifically for tonight we're talking about a height increase
of the eastern side, which is shown here in blue,
the height allowance originally was 35 feet while this side
where phase two is was 50 feet.
So there's a general plan amendment to increase that.
I think you have that backwards.
You were pointing at the phase two and calling it, okay.
Well, this would be phase three, I'm sorry, phase two.
just in case for those who are watching from home.
Okay, correct.
That's actually phases 1 and 2 right here and phase 3 in the green, which had a height
limit of 35 feet over phase 3.
The general plan amendment brought the entire Walnut Creek transit village area into to
measure a maximum allowance of 50 feet.
And in doing so, there's a general plan policy that allows the development to offer certain
and public benefits for that increased height.
In this case, it was construction of the entire,
or the parking garage first before construction
of the other phases.
The reason for that is because those were surface parking
lots and had to replace those parking lot,
those parking areas while the other two phases
were under construction.
And that parking garage also included an expanded
bus terminal, I think, and Mayor Syll will probably
let me know if I'm right or wrong.
There was 12 bus, if it was a 12 bus terminal previously.
I think that's pretty close, yeah.
Yeah, and it was expanded to 15, correct, okay.
And also improved bicycle pedestrian facilities
around and through the site.
I'm gonna bring up a map here,
and there's a lot going on here, I get it,
but it's the best representation of bicycle
and pedestrian circulation that I could find,
And it was actually part of the entitlements.
So what's shown here, focus on the brown arrows,
if you can see them.
Those are these arrows here.
There's a cluster of them over here.
And that just shows the bicycle circulation.
There's bicycle circulation all kind of ends up right here,
where there's lockers and other facilities for the cyclists.
So that was done.
That was part of the public benefit.
And also the green arrows.
the green arrows represent pedestrian pathways.
And as you can see, if the blue arrows weren't there,
you would see a lot of green arrows.
But as you can see, there's green arrows,
there's a lot of pedestrian pathways,
two through and around the site.
And it includes a passageway between buildings two and three
and phase two and also between buildings three and four
in phase three.
What this would do is eliminate this pathway here
and folks would just come around this way
or go around this way as they've always done.
In the case of phase three,
this has been the pedestrian pathway for decades.
And myself, in negotiating with the developer,
this path is here to stay.
So we'll make sure that this is designed
a little bit better, but more defensible space,
less attractive nuisance and built for a pedestrian pathway.
And moving forward, so what's the proposed benefit exchange?
The exchange for that access Waymark proposes
that the Great Hall be made available four times a year
for specific events and with specific restrictions.
Those restrictions are listed in bullet points
and they're also in the staff report.
The Great Hall, what is it?
It's this building, I think everybody's at least seen it,
if not have been in it, it's a beautiful building.
It's right next to the entrance gates to the Great Hall.
As you can see there, and we'll talk about public art.
Actually the applicant will really focus
on some public art.
It's been brought out to these columns here,
but the use, the public benefit would be the use
of the Great Hall shown here.
And I'll just run through some photos
of the inside of the hall.
It's a large space.
Again, the applicant's gonna go through
some of the specifics of the space.
And then there's lock-off rooms in there.
There is, I think, at least beverage service,
if not food service, we'll find that out.
However, and as far as the public art
that is within the Pringle Passage,
we wanted to make sure that the art that's in the passage
would still be available for public viewing.
And we have worked out a solution for that,
and it would allow a person to make a phone call
or inquire with the leasing office
to go see the public art,
whether they're an individual or a group,
they could either schedule it for a larger group
or get fairly quick access with the leasing department.
It would be available during the regular office hours
and there would be signs at the gate here
on the station side and then at the stair
for folks on directions on exactly how to do that.
With that, staff recommends that the city council
determine that the previously prepared Environmental Impact Report is sufficient for this proposal
and adopt a draft resolution approving the proposed public benefit to include the use
of the Great Hall instead of private access over Pringle Passage.
And as I said, Brad Griggs and the associate are here tonight, Ryan, I believe, is here
tonight to answer any questions and provide a presentation.
Thank you very much.
Council has any questions for staff. Councilmember Darling? Just a quick one,
thank you for walking us through this, it's like a trip down memory lanes. The
art inside the Pringle Passage, does it include the big planters and smaller
benches? Are those part of the same installation? I believe so. I was not a
part of when the when the actual art package was approved with the Arts
Commission but it did change since we since you thought as a planning
committee. Yes it did. It does include certain installations I think to benches and
planners in a form of tile mosaics and and other items that I'm sure the
applicant will be able to. Okay and I and just I think you you talked about this
But I want to be very clear that we're not talking about phase three and that major thoroughfare through there
We're just talking about Pringle Passage tonight
We are we are not talking about phase three and you recognize that talking about face three be bad
Thank you
Councilmember Francois, thank you mayor and thank you chip for the refresher on the project
It turned out beautifully by the way
I'm really pleased with how it looks and I was there at the grand opening as I think a lot of us were
If you could just confirm for me, the public benefit,
and it was a package of public benefits
that were provided, right?
The public benefits were needed or desired
by the council back in 2012
because of the increased height limit on the phase three site.
Correct.
Not on the phase two site.
There was no need to increase the height.
There was no availability to increase the height on the site.
Okay.
And then was the Pringle Passage
more than just a concept.
There was going to be some sort of easement
dedicated for public use,
but were there any parameters put around?
Was it gonna be open just like a public street 24-7?
I know there are gates there,
but what was, was there anything in the record
in terms of what the history of its purpose was?
Originally, I, you know,
over the 10 years that that project was developed,
I don't know that it really boiled down to that yet.
I think it was just public access.
When we got towards the construction phase,
there was started talking about hours or limiting hours
and that kind of thing.
And then I think as COVID hit, I believe,
as the project came out of the ground
and really developed further,
I think it became clear to the developers
that this space might not be the best location
for have to be open, especially 24 seven.
Okay, and I think just one more for now.
I recall a main topic of conversation
when we were on the planning commission
was the replacement parking and the desire
for the replacement parking to be constructed first,
which indeed happened.
And I thought that what was constructed
was more than one-to-one of what was on the surface lots.
I believe it was, correct me if I'm wrong,
but I think it was 951 spaces were required
and it built 990, is that, or is it six?
There's more.
911.
Okay.
Let's see.
I think that's, Council Member Darling
had my question about the public art.
would like a little more explanation of what's inside up the stairs and I've
walked it but I can't say that I really paid attention to every mosaic I should
have but if you can just describe kind of what what's within the confines of
the project that would be helpful. You can turn to your art friends and ask
them to the microphone. I think we're gonna see that with their presentation.
Okay well also but we may have some questions for staff from the arts as
well. Mayor Pro Tem. Does the Pernell passage represent any kind of risk for
the people who live in the in the development? I would go I would I would
assume yes otherwise we might not be going through this exercise. Okay like
homeless people coming. And I hate to say it that way because people
see homeless people and they go, oh they must be criminals. That's not always the
case. But are there any safety issues? Good evening Madam Mayor, City Council. I
have not personally walked this property but I have looked at it on a map. So my
understanding, and Captain Brown is joining me here, he'll have some more
information because he's walked it a couple of times. It is in very close
proximity to residents so it could be a haven for peeping toms, people loitering,
certainly littering and things like that but I'm going to turn it over to Captain
Brown he'll have better information than I do. Thank you.
Good evening Madam Mayor, council members, Andy Brown, the administrative division captain for the police
department. I did walk this passageway and spent some time with the leasing
manager today and last week as well. And the walkway is adjacent to some, you
know, private patios that are, you know, very low and so line-of-sight as people
are walking through there. Also you could theoretically easily access the
patios if you so desired. We haven't had any major issues or significant events
there from a crime standpoint, but it certainly could happen. I don't know if that answers your
question, if you have further concerns with the area. It just exposes, it's possible that
there could be issues in the future that just hasn't been.
Thank you. Actually, let me do a follow up there, but the gates have been locked, have they not?
So the opportunity has been restricted.
I believe the gates are locked during the evening,
but I'll let Chip answer that or the applicant.
They were locked this morning.
It's my belief that the Pringle Passage
has never been open for public access.
So what could, this is a could
based on the environmental design
as I think was the phrase that the chief used last night
and when we were talking about affordable housing
and how to design any housing multifamily,
how to design appropriately, okay.
Follow-up question.
Could you talk either chief or Captain Brown
about the two jurisdictions,
is it BART and Walnut Creek PD that has jurisdiction
over the Waymark or where do those lines,
kind of where are they delineated?
The Waymark is Walnut Creek's jurisdiction.
And so then there's the BART property adjacent.
And that obviously is is patrolled by Bart police department
Both both of the garages the station everything that's not the waymark essentially right now, correct? Okay. Thank you
So I will have a question for the public art staff
eventually in terms of the value of the public art that's in the passageway as opposed to the stairway or the
and so if they can work on figuring that out or if they can answer now if they're ready, tap dance.
You don't want to see that.
For the record, Kevin Saffine, Director of Arts and Recreation.
I'm going to have to ask my friends to help me out with this a little bit.
There were two pieces of public art that were part of the Weymark development.
One is on the corner of Pringle in California called the B effect, which is not affected by this.
It's spectacular, by the way.
And the other is the series of mosaics at the exterior stairway up through the passage
from Pringle through to California.
I can give you the total budget, and then I'll need a little help on the specific budget
for the mosaics if you have that, Emily.
So give us the total budget, and then after the applicant makes their presentation, we
will get a little more detail.
So the total budget for both combined was $816,000, and I'll have the number specifically
for the mosaics in a moment.
Okay, great, thank you.
And that is 1%, that reflects 1% of the construction costs
of the phase two, the Waymark itself.
Correct, and you may have added a little bit
with some more mosaics, but that was the dollar amount
for as required by the public art master plan, yes.
Okay, short answer is yes, but they did a little bit more.
Thank you.
Yes, Mayor Pertin.
This is to remind me to remind the applicant to ask that what do you do in ordinary circumstances
when you're doing a sort of upper class, middle development of art-wise, whether you've got
this law or not?
That's my question.
Think about it.
Please.
All right.
Thank you very much, staff.
We will now open the public hearing and hear from the applicant.
Thank you very much.
You will have up to 15 minutes to present to us.
Thank you.
Good evening, Mayor.
Good evening, City Council members.
My name is Ryan.
I'm with Blake Creek's Properties.
I'm here to represent Walnut Creek Transit Village Associates.
My presentation will be relatively brief since Chip did such a good job outlining the issue
that we're here discussing tonight.
So as Chip said, the real concern that we're trying to address tonight is one of safety.
I would point out that the gates have been closed.
We've done that because we saw safety concerns early on, and we've had those concerns stated
to us by residents.
So it's something that we're very sensitive to.
This is just an outline of the property.
And you can see the Pringle Passage down the middle and the alternative route that goes
down the side of the property that BART patrons would use to go to the office space.
I would point out that I think, and Greg's reminding me of this, when originally designed
there was supposed to be retail going down that baysail.
And a public passage with retail makes total sense.
I don't know if it was a leftover, you know, when we converted that retail to apartments.
But just given where it is today, we wouldn't have designed it probably thinking about public
access 24-7.
I think as the science says right now, it's 7 to 10 p.m. but those night hours are obviously
a concern.
I'll also add that the public path of travel by pushing it down to the corner of Pringle
and Northern California puts it by where the retail is now.
most of our retail space, with the exception of a coffee shop near the Great Hall, is on
that hard corner. So anything we can do to increase foot traffic there is a benefit for
those retailers. This shows you some photos of what the paseo looks like. As pointed out
by the police chief, it's a meandering path. There's a ton of landscaping there that looks
great and it's a beautiful passageway, but it just gives a lot of opportunities for people
that are, you know, peeping Tom's or anything of the like to hide, wait for it to be dark,
try and set up camp, or access the patios that are on the ground floor.
This is a good representation of what kind of art we have within that Pringle Passage.
These are six benches.
You can see the mosaics at the bottom, and these are about three feet long by, you know,
two feet high.
they're not very big, but those are along the passageway.
These are two other planters that are part of those mosaics
within the gates, larger pieces.
And as stated, if anybody wants to see this art,
they're welcome to come to the leasing office
so we can schedule a tour.
And if Walnut Creek wants to have scheduled tours
with our leasing office, they're welcome to do that.
This is art at either end of the Pringle Passage.
The staircase, as Chip pointed out before,
and then on these two columns shown in the lower right,
that's mosaics that we actually added late in the game.
So I think that costs us another $50,000 or so
to have those installed.
Here's the B effect.
There was also mentioned earlier, it's a great piece.
It's on the corner of Pringle in Northern California
near the retail, so that art will stay available
of the public.
Here's the same picture you saw before, the Great Hall.
The Great Hall space is about 4,500 square feet.
It has a wet bar.
It has opportunities for catering,
if food is brought in, to keep that warm.
It has a very large projector screen.
It'd be great for speaker presentations, chamber
of commerce meetings, things like that.
Oh, and the capacity of the Great Hall
is a little over 350 people.
So that's really it.
Again, chip covered everything,
but I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.
Mayor Pro Tem, did you have a question?
I did.
So I did want to know the contrast
with what you would do ordinarily.
Do you, for a similar upper middle class kind of building,
would you put natural art,
whether you had your arms twisted behind your back or not?
Well, from my experience,
I've always been required to put public art in,
so that's an easy answer for me.
The art that we would put in otherwise, which we do,
if you're in the Great Hall,
you'll see the big mural of the coyote,
is all focused on where it can be enjoyed by our residents
and gets the most visibility from that standpoint.
On the exterior of the buildings,
you know, if there's an opportunity for art
that rethinks makes sense,
then we'll do it unnecessarily in every project
you put public card unless required.
Okay.
I have a couple of questions about the use of the room.
The availability is limited to, according to your rules,
limited between 11 a.m. and 9 p.m. Monday through Friday
and no holidays.
I understand everything except if you have an evening
meeting starting at say six o'clock,
It is more likely than not closing it at 9 p.m.
is cutting that opportunity for that group short.
Is there any flexibility in that?
Yes, that's a good point.
I think there's certainly a flexibility in that.
You know, the one thing that we're cognizant of
is noise and the impacts on residents.
So if we get an application that we thought
that wouldn't be an issue,
we'd be happy to extend those hours.
Okay, the second one is you have no religious
or political organizations.
And I think when I was talking to you,
I used the example of last year
when Walnut Creek was going to host the mayor's conference
and we all know mayors are very quiet people.
Is that a political organization or are there,
how would you measure something like that?
that is more ecumenical than just a political campaign.
Yeah, our intent there is more around fundraising events
or anything that can be perceived
where we're showing favoritism
to one political person than the other.
So we can modify that language to specify that,
but what you described
would certainly be allowed and appropriate.
Okay, my cohort says that it would be
governmental experience, not a political experience. Okay, all right. I think, oh,
the groups are responsible for cleaning up the room, but, you know, anything that happens outside
of the room that's sort of beyond their scope, is that covered by, do they have to make special
arrangements? It would probably be dependent upon the application if we
thought something was going to spill out into other areas, but in general I would
say no. I mean anything that's outside of those walls is a responsibility of our
property manager. And security is clearly an issue for you and your tenants.
Would the group be responsible for additional security? Again I think that'd
to be a case-by-case basis, but we have onsite security,
so there's a basic level of security that we would provide.
And if, for whatever reason, we thought more was required,
we would work that out with the applicant.
Okay. Thank you.
Other questions?
Oh, wait a minute.
I have one more.
Sorry. Sorry.
I apologize.
How solid is the four total maximum a year?
It's-I mean, I'm open to suggestions
if you want to increase that, certainly.
but within reason.
Councilmember Francois.
Thank you and I'm wondering if you had mentioned that you know if this
alternative concept were embraced that the public would still have an
opportunity to see the internal art by
arranging for a visit with the leasing manager.
How would that, did you give it, have you given any thought to kind of how that
would be advertised or a member of the public would know that they would be
able to access that and be able to view it. Yeah, we talked about what CHIP was
putting signage at either end of Pringle on the gates so you know if you wish to
view the public art please check in with the leasing office and probably provide
a phone number and that could be very easily done. I mean you know people walk
in every day looking for tours of the property so if someone wants to walk in
and get it toward the public art.
And that would be available generally, your leasing agent, your leasing office hours
are nine to five, Monday to Friday?
Nine to six, yeah.
You don't lease on weekends?
We do.
So that, and will that be true long term?
Yes.
Once you get to 100%, which is never 100%, because there's always someone moving.
There'll be moving out, moving back in.
Yep.
And would there be any resistance or reluctance on your part to the city advertising it more
broadly than just signs on either end if it were on some sort of public art walking tour
or included on, you know, the arts and recreation page as an option for people to be able to
visit?
Anybody that wants to come visit the art is a potential tenant, so I would welcome them.
Smart man.
Now they perhaps a harder question on phase three.
Well, we'll start with an easier one.
On phase three, the access way,
that's always been the access way
from the corner of Ignacio in California
to the BART station.
It's open now and Chip had made it clear
that the city's desire and strong intent
is that remain an access way and just wanted to get
any assurances or thoughts you could provide
on that key kind of passageway
from Ignacio in California to the BART station.
Yeah, I think we can commit to keeping that public.
It's gonna require design and thoughtfulness on our part.
But that has been a thoroughfare
for as long as I've lived in this area,
so I can imagine taking that away.
And then maybe the harder question,
do you have a sense of the timing of phase three?
I wish I did.
We continue to look at how to make phase three feasible.
A lot of that has to do with discussions
we're having with BART right now.
A lot of it also has to do with greater economy
and capital markets.
So I don't think phase three would break ground
any time before end of 25, 26.
But if we can work out other issues on the project,
we can maybe move forward with the planning application
ahead of that.
Your group has control over that site now,
or is that still BART?
No, we control it.
It's under option.
And everything outside the fence, is that BART or you?
Outside of the fence is?
Like on the Ignatio side, which is the landscape.
It's not landscaping anymore, but it was at one time.
Kind of on that front.
That is.
That would get redone with the project.
But it's BART, yeah.
That's BART currently.
OK.
just to clarify part still maintains the whole property.
They're responsible for the fence.
So once the way Mark finished,
we pulled out our use permit
and not doing anything on parcel three.
Right.
And I recall that there was some sort of bike pavilion
and bike station that was part of phase three.
Is that right?
I don't know that it was identified as a public benefit
as much as it was like a concept part of the project.
I think so too.
Yeah.
Well, that's it for me now, for now.
Thank you.
Cindy Darling, I couldn't see your light on.
You were looking away.
So the Pringle Passage, if you access it from Pringle,
you have to go up the stairs.
And if it becomes a public passage,
people would have to be able to access the elevator.
Or would people have to be able to access the elevator
to be compliant with ADA?
It would be.
And so right now, that elevator is only,
you can only access it if you use your residence call button.
Was the elevator designed with public access in mind?
It was.
I would say it's another opportunity
for someone that's not supposed to be there to hide out.
So again, the elevator is part of the overall safety concern.
And then when we get to phase three,
because I have faith in the capital markets
and everything coming around, when we get to phase three,
That will be a separate discussion about public art
and the application of our public art ordinances
to that facility and it'll have its own art.
So we'll have that happen.
That opportunity, correct.
All right, thank you.
So if we were to say tonight,
first of all, thank you for the presentation
and I understand the issue.
If we were to say tonight,
it was intended to be a public passageway.
What would you have to do in terms of investing
and security in order to protect the space?
Well, we'd have to look at options of putting up
potentially gates through the passageway.
That's not ideal.
You're going to walk down that.
You're going to feel like you're in a cage.
More patrol through there.
But no matter how much man patrol you put on a property,
people are always going to find a way around that.
And then probably additional cameras.
all of which don't get to that level of security
by closing off the gates
and creating that sense of security for the residents.
Okay.
So just to that point is there an option
or an alternative that the gates are open from nine to six
and then, or nine to eight or whatever,
and then closed after that.
Was that kind of option explored?
Why wouldn't that achieve kind of the safety intent,
which I think is legitimate for having residents there.
Well, we found particularly in this, you know,
post COVID era, whether it's daytime or nighttime,
that's not really a factor in terms of people want to do
mischievous things, they're going to do that.
I mean, we have issues now, you know,
where people were adding security to make sure
they're not coming in behind cars in the garage,
accessing from other points of the building.
So daytime or nighttime,
it's not making that big of a difference.
And if you are daytime, like I showed in the picture,
there's a lot of opportunity to just sit there and hide,
if you wanted to.
Yeah, Brad brought something up.
So we've actually found people sleeping inside the units.
This was mostly during early on,
when we were doing more leasing,
but people broke into the building.
They would sleep in the units.
There were so many vacant units
that we couldn't patrol them all.
One guy actually even stole an oven
out the unit down the stairs,
which I'd never seen before.
So at that time the gates were open unrestricted and people could walk
through that area. That time the gates were closed at night there was still a
lot of construction going on. The gates were open a lot for
construction purposes. And has there ever been kind of measurable foot traffic? I
don't know that it ever had the opportunity to get to that point
probably but from the Golden Triangle and there was COVID too. From the office
buildings to the BART station. I guess there's not really a question there is there. No,
I mean the office building is 50% leased, it's 30% occupied at best. Sorry, it was your
question. Oh no, that's okay. So we were looking at
a map that showed, and maybe you had the same map site, has anyone projected the distance
And the amount of time to walk from the bottom of the stairs
around Downpringle and then along the California edge
to get to the same point if you walked through up the stairs
and through the passageway.
I don't know the exact distance, but you're
talking about a matter of 30 seconds in terms of walking.
Well, that's what I thought.
But I wondered if anybody had counted the steps.
I should have done that when I was there this morning,
except I couldn't get in through the gate.
So how wide is the passageway?
I could see it's narrow and meandering.
It varies between six and eight feet.
Six feet?
Six feet.
Eight feet.
I hit his head, and I hit her head.
OK.
You showed us pictures of the additional art that's
inside the passageway.
How many pieces are those all separate pieces?
Are there six benches?
there are six benches and two of these circular benches,
so eight.
Which are visible from the gate.
These two are visible from the gate.
But not the six benches.
Correct.
All right, I think I've had my questions answered.
Thank you very much.
We're now going to open it for any public comment
for individuals that might be in attendance this evening.
Does anyone wish to speak to us on this item?
Please step forward.
feel like I should run the Jeopardy! music,
but that might take too long,
and I could walk from the Pringle stairs
to the opposite Pringle gate.
All right, I'm gonna close the public hearing
and bring it back for additional questions of staff,
and I did ask for some clarification
on the public art that is in the...
And I know I should have sent this question in advance,
but I couldn't tell what public art
was actually in the passageway.
So, no, we were able to do the math.
The, again, about $816,000 total for both pieces.
I'll start with the BFX.
That was about 420, or 19, 420.
The Mosaics was about 397, plus the 50 that the developer,
the applicant put in on their own.
So the Mosaics, is there any way to value the six benches
that are sitting inside?
Well, you could just do a straight, you know,
calculation on each total.
By the square footage of tile.
Yeah, but that's one way to do it,
but we've not looked at it individually piece by piece.
So there was a $50,000.
Supplement on the entry from California.
Oh, on the columns?
The two columns as you entered the gate
from California by the parts station.
Chip, I'm not sure that council members
don't have other questions, but let's.
I do.
So the Pringle Passage, you have to go upstairs and go across.
If you go around the outside, do you go,
there aren't any hills or anything.
It's all pretty flat.
So people with bad knees are OK with it.
When it was built, where did you expect the people who
were going to walk on it to come from?
all of them from the Golden Triangle or that you know what how much actual use
did you really expect from outsiders given that everybody's going to park in the garages
that way and not walk that way and I'm still trying to figure out who would go up and over
other than simply to see the art. Yes, the original intent was really for art patrons
getting off the bar station and then going over to the golden triangle and that was just a way to
pull them through and again when that was retail you know made a lot more sense. Ouch thank you
that's an effective answer. Any other questions Mayor Pro Tem? No. Councilmember Francois. So Chip
in kind of putting together the staff report and talking to the the developer did was there any
conversation about alternatives or to the public benefit or any quantification which
I think would be hard to do of the Pringle Passage like we have with the artwork?
Not necessarily a quantification where a qualification in that there would be access provided to
see that art.
And then no real kind of conversations or discussions about kind of other options?
Other options.
No.
No, it was a we asked for a you know a suggestion and that and that was it it was
Anticipated for discussion around some of the
Some of the limitations
Let's see, I think that's all I had thanks councilmember darling any questions further questions
I don't have any further questions either. Thank you
So council we now need to have a discussion. It seems there's two questions really in front of us.
One is do we allow the passageway to be made private and then if yes what public benefit
do we think is appropriate? Is this appropriate? Should it be strengthened? Should it be different?
Councilmember Francois can I start with you? Yeah I'm trying to figure out where the art fits
into that as well but because I maybe there's a third question of how to deal
with the internal art but starting with the first question I think for the
reasons that were described the safety issues the original intent for it to be
retail and now it's residential and I fully understand why that's the case I
I can also speak kind of from my experience taking BART frequently before the pandemic
and then stopping for a few years and now back on BART again, that it's a different
environment than it was before the pandemic and I'm sure that that's led to challenges
with a residential project at the BART station and I'm fully sensitive to that, but I also
think it's brought in elements to the whole station that are more difficult to manage.
I see it on a daily basis because I park in the new garage and it's so I think for all those
reasons I would be inclined to allow this passageway which did in concept I think it
was a nice idea for the for office workers to have to to take that big monolith block
And cut it in half and provide a shorter walkway for office workers to the BART station.
I think at this, specifically at this juncture, that's probably not as high of a priority in terms
of public benefits as it was before the pandemic. So I think times have kind of changed when it
comes to that. Do you want to take just that one and then. Let's just take the first one because
because if we don't agree with the first one,
then we don't get that a lot.
Then we don't get that a lot.
Council member Darling.
So I thank you for everybody that's helped us
walk through this issue.
I've kind of struggled with a little.
When we originally approved the project,
when I was on planning commission,
I was not convinced that the Pringle Passage
because of the stairs was really going to be
the way that people would go.
because I remember looking at the grade change,
it was a pretty significant grade change
from the street up the stairs.
And you'd have to get in an elevator,
people aren't gonna get in an elevator to walk to BART.
And so as far as all the different elements of the project,
the Pringle Passage was less important to me.
And with the changes that have taken the retail
out of that area, I don't see as much,
I can see the validity in what they're asking for
and so I would be willing to entertain taking that private
if we can come up with the right package to go with that.
Okay, Mayor Pro Tem?
All I can think of is there are young people
that live in that area of the buildings
and if one of those children got picked up and taken away
we'd never forgive ourselves
for not taking advantage of this opportunity.
I know I'd be nervous if there's a low wall
and people could look in all the time.
I think they deserve to have privacy
and confidence that they're going to be safe.
So I'm pretty much sold on the idea
of keeping the gates there.
And I agree with my colleagues.
I think it's important.
Public safety is very important.
Things have changed since COVID,
but I've been here long enough to know
that the original concept was that there would be retail
along there that would be supportive to the Golden Triangle
and the employees of the Golden Triangle.
And so the back and forth was likely to be appropriate
and the switch to residential occurred somewhere in 2010,
11, 12, and we didn't have enough conversation
about whether the passageway was really going
to work very effectively.
And so I am supportive of making this a private passageway.
And I think what we have,
we can't actually have a motion and a vote on that
because the resolution and the adoption
of the environmental are separate from it.
The council should just can work with the kind of consensus
developed and then focus on any issues associated with the return of benefits to the city and
then we can incorporate any modifications that you may identify into the resolution.
So Councilmember Francois, let's start the conversation if you would about what public
benefit. And what I appreciated in your questions early on was the public benefit was really
necessitated by the change in height on phase three, not anything to do with phase two.
Yeah. And I think that's important because I think what we've seen in other projects,
you know, especially thinking of the via Monty project out in Shadelands and that we've tied
kind of these public benefits to something within the vicinity of that project kind of looking for
pedestrian improvements bicycle improvements in the Shadelands area. So I think that that
providing a public benefit that's perhaps more tied with phase three because the burden is being
created by phase well just stepping back. I know we had a few letters not a ton and there's nobody
here in the public here tonight. But the email that we got, I think it was from Mrs. Tony,
kind of struck me that looking for something a little more tangible and commensurate with
the Pringle Passage concept. And so when I look at the public, the limited, I would call it limited
public use of the Great Hall, to me the scales don't quite balance out on that. And it could be
part of a package maybe with other items, but I'm not sure if we look back kind of at
what our guiding direction was, at least in the general plan, was that we would have exceptional
public amenities. They could be roof gardens, public plazas, creek orientations. I'm not sure
how that would be accomplished on that site. Let's not build a creek. Public courtyards and
and passageways, landscaping, public art,
and other desired public amenities.
And I think that last one is pretty broad.
So I guess my inclination would be to kind of direct staff
to have a further conversation with the developer
about an alternative public benefit
that we felt matched this language
and was maybe more geographically tied
to the phase three site with the understanding that,
you know, because the burden would be created
when the phase three development happens,
that the benefits should be provided essentially
at the same time and that we're not,
that we're looking at the site holistically
and then also kind of balancing it out that way.
And I do agree with Commissioner Darling that the,
Commissioner, no, sorry, we're going the way back.
Yeah, you're a council member now.
Come on in to the 2020s.
OK.
Council member, darling, that one I never,
I don't recall that one rising to being the top public benefit.
I know parking was a really important issue back in the day.
And that's probably tied to the parking structure.
Yeah.
Which was provided.
And so there have been, and again,
it's a beautiful development.
There's a giant compass that I can still
enjoy when I walk down the side of the building.
I have never walked through the passageway other than
when I visited and toured the site at the grand opening.
I really enjoy the bee exhibit, with the flowers.
The bee effect.
The bee effect, I think that's really,
I think that's a great piece of California art
and I enjoy seeing that at the station.
So I think there are other opportunities
We don't have to get so bogged down and weighed down
with one mid-block crossing that is not really,
it's kind of a road to nowhere
that we can look at the whole site
a little more holistically
and hopefully have that opportunity with phase three sooner
rather than later to,
I don't know that there's a huge rush for us to,
we can direct staff to have those conversations
with the developer and see if they can reach
some sort of an agreement that could be brought back
of the council that we can talk about.
Related to phase three.
Yeah.
All right, council member Darling.
We're blowing up the resolution if we.
We are adding another step for step.
I agree with council member Francois that.
I called him mayor most of the year, so.
That you know, prego passage was not,
there were far bigger fish to fry
in the public benefit package
and we really appreciate, you know,
building the garage first,
doing the extra spots in the garage,
the public art that's outside of this.
I would be interested in looking at this in two phases,
kind of where we are right now with phase two on the ground,
temporary access to the public art
when people want to access to the Great Hall.
But then when we get to phase three,
which is where the height comes in,
then we have an obligation that gets passed forward to phase three to provide some public benefit and
because we are going to have the paseo there there's opportunities there to
to go back and capture some of what we're trying to do you know that that's the entrance to the
city kind of thing and we always talked about how it would you should be able to look down at and
have a great view and have art around you so i would be willing to entertain a phased approach
the public benefits with an interim when phase two is in place and an obligation to come
back as part of phase three.
So interim are you saying the Great Hall?
The Great Hall, the access to the public and the ability for the city to advertise that
there is the public art there in the Pringle Passage and that people would be welcome to
come and view it as long as they weren't camping on it.
Mayor Pro Tem.
I'm sure glad that I waited until councilmember soon to be Mayor Pro Tem Cindy gave her opinion
because I think that is probably one of the very best ways of balancing it out and I was
going to lobby for more meeting space because I know that downtown we don't have anything
that I can think off the top of my head that's equivalent for meeting spaces for non-profits
and people who are going to do good for our community.
But I can understand, and you're not fully booked yet, and when you build the last section,
you still won't be fully booked.
So until that's all there, it would be nice to have some place like that for the community.
And yeah, I don't think that should be the end result.
And thank you for figuring that out for me.
The end result should be something pretty special and I'm looking forward to see what
it's going to be.
I hope I live that long.
So I'm generally in alignment with my colleagues.
I believe that what was very helpful in reading the staff report was the reminder that what
as we call phase three but the east side of the BART station property only had a 35 foot
height limit and that we raised it to 50 feet as part of this entitlement process and that
is what triggered the need for a substantive community benefit.
It wasn't, oh you're building at the BART station or...
I am not as convinced that the Great Hall is a, it's a nice public benefit, but we
tried to make it work, and Ryan knows that, for the mayor's conference.
It is a hard space to reconfigure, and it would be a very expensive space for anyone
to rent unless they're just renting it for a meeting, for using the conference tables
and the configuration as is, and it's a nice offer.
I think it also will be difficult to program when it's four times a year.
If you want to say the first Monday of the month, that's something people can remember.
But four times a year becomes hard to manage for the public.
Eventually, it will be no times during the year because it will be very difficult to
keep track of.
I appreciate that most of the public art is actually visible from outside.
stairs are visible and the columns you can walk up and touch them and you can
see the two pedestal seating areas or planter boxes so I appreciate that most
of it is visible and that they would work with staff to I hope it can be on
on the public art tour that might occur once every four months. I am more
inclined to say that the public benefit should really be tied to phase three
because that's what triggered it and will in the future,
and that that conversation should really be.
In the meantime, we can do the small things,
because just in case we don't know phase three
might take 10 years.
I hope not.
But if it does, then the public benefit would come.
It could be just a little greater contribution
to the public art requirement that will be triggered
in the phase three. It could be a little more contribution to affordable housing. It could be
something like that but something that the public at large sees a benefit in and a rentable or a
free space four times a year isn't great access for the public and I think that might be. The
The other thing I want to make note of is that when the design of the project evolved,
that passageway became a design element because you can't design one big blocky mass.
That passageway has created light and air and visibility for it to be private now which
is totally appropriate, but it's not a lost benefit.
I think the developer has benefit
accruing from it as well.
So we kind of have a trend.
What are you hearing, city attorney?
And do we have any hope of salvaging
the resolution that's in front of us
or do we need to give you direction?
Yes, in talking with the city manager
and the community development director,
we think that the appropriate direction would be
to direct staff to have the conversations
the council has been talking about guided by your collective discussions in terms of
how we would put together a revision to the resolution and then the thought would be that
we would come back to the council early in the new year with the revised resolution.
We think that's better than trying to actually revise the resolution right now because the
concepts that the council has talked about, I think even the council anticipated discussions
with the applicant to come up with something that is both addressing kind of the shorter
term and the longer term that's associated with phase three.
So staff feels like we have sufficient direction from the council to be able to have those
conversations with the applicant and then to bring back a finalized version of a resolution.
Would it be helpful to have a motion that at least lets the applicant know or the developer
know that we are essentially an agreement to rescind the public nature of the passageway
pending.
Yeah, the staff is fine with that, and I think that would be memorializing the direction
that we heard from the Council.
Can you give us a quick language for that so that we don't fumble around here at 8 o'clock
at night?
Yeah, so understanding that there is going to be some discussions that will go on back
and forth between the applicant and staff, we would say that the council would entertain
a motion to direct staff to engage in conversations with the applicant on an approach that would
involve removing the commitment that the Pringle Passageway be open to the public permanently,
was originally anticipated, and that instead we would work on interim access that would
be, I think I understood, I heard from the council's comments that it would be, that
the council seemed to be okay with the idea that it would be upon, you know, during the
leasing hours with knowledge to the leasing agents that they would ask for permission
to go in, but if somebody did, they'd have access to it, so you're maintaining it, and
that there would be I don't think there's complete clarity on the part of the council
right now about whether or not the Great Hall offer stays in or not. So I think staff would
talk about that unless the council directs us otherwise. And then the third part would
be to discuss the kind of the more permanent public benefit that would be associated with
phase three and that would be kind of more in relation to the fact that the impact is
actually coming with phase three so that there would be something more physical, something
more permanent that would be in the form of a more typical community benefit.
I just want to weigh in because I don't think I weighed in on the interim.
I think the rest of you did.
I do see some, I do see the value in having something now,
not just letting Pringle Passage go away
and not having something in the interim.
I don't know that it has to,
I'm not advocating that it be the permanent public benefit
because I don't think it rises to that level,
but unless and until phase three is on board,
I like the idea of an interim public benefit
to replace the Pringle Passage.
I've been in this space, it's really lovely space.
I haven't moved the furniture around in it,
so I don't know what that entails,
but I personally would like to see that included.
And so.
Yeah, and I agree with that.
I was looking at originally thinking,
oh, wow, you could have a school auction here,
it'd be so cool.
And then I realized, no, that's not gonna work,
but there are things that you can do in that space.
And I think it would be a useful place
for different nonprofit groups.
It's not the end all be all,
but I would be interested in including that
as part of the package.
Even if you can't have a crab feed.
So I need somebody to make,
do you wanna restate the motion with all of that?
Yeah, I can, but understanding that there's,
the council has multiple concepts at play here.
So the first part of the,
It would be a motion to direct staff to work with the applicant to, one, remove the permitted
access requirement that was associated with the prior approvals, permanent public access,
two, to provide the interim public benefits that it sounds to me would be in the form
of public access upon request to the leasing agent during the normal leasing hours, and
And two, the continued use of some of the great hall on some periodic basis that we
did identify.
They've proposed four times.
I heard the council talk about four, maybe plus.
And then the third part is really the part that I think is a little bit more open right
now.
And that's the permanent public benefit that's in exchange.
It really associates with Phase 3 and is part of the Phase 3 development based on the fact
that the additional height is really a benefit to the Phase 3 development.
And that's something that staff would discuss with them and bring back to the council.
And just a quick question.
The staff report references determining that the current EIR is enough for that.
Do we need to?
You don't need that tonight because you're just giving us direction to go negotiate and
then we'll bring the resolution back and that resolution will incorporate the same EIR line.
Right.
Thanks.
I move to do what our city attorney said.
Second.
We have a motion and a second.
Can we have a roll call vote, please?
Council Member Darling.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Just for clarity, Steve, I think you said public access
and you were obviously intending
to the internal public art.
I did, thank you.
And I said access, I should have said public benefit
as well, too, for the phase three, thank you.
Council Member Darling.
Aye.
Council Member Francois.
Aye.
Mayor Pro Tempaski.
Aye.
Mayor Stolt.
Aye.
Thank you very much and I hope the conversation,
We can reach a fruitful agreement
and look forward to having it come back.
Don't anyone go away?
We're closing tonight's meeting in honor of Jim Hale.
We're about to close tonight's meeting
in memory of James Hale,
who was a longtime Contra Costa resident
and active member of the community,
and he passed away at the age of 72 in mid-October.
He went to Occalani's High School,
has a master's degree in zoology and wildlife biology,
and basically he was a zoologist and wildlife biologist
and worked as a professional ecological consultant
for more than 47 years throughout California,
but in particular in Contra Costa.
He was an expert on wildlife and natural
and local regional wildlife
and Native American cultural history.
And he was particularly involved in creek issues,
including our local creeks,
as well as he was vice chair
of the Contra Costa County Fish and Wildlife Committee.
And he was vice president of Friends of the Creeks.
And at the centennial celebration,
I remember him at Heather Farm,
and he was made in an exhibit of local history.
And he and my husband had a fascinating conversation
of course Tom is very interested in California history. He will be greatly
remembered for his work locally in our open spaces wildlife and particularly
the creeks. He will be missed but his work will be flowing through our creek
areas forever so thank you very much to James Hale and we will miss you and with
that this meeting is closed.