Welcome to this October 17, 2020, wait, wait, wait, wait, September 3rd, 2025.
This is our review commission meeting.
Mr. Secretary, can we do a roll call, please?
Thank you, Chair. Commissioner Case?
Here.
Commissioner Riley?
Here.
Vice Chair Basting?
Here.
Chair Newsom?
I am here.
We have quorum.
Okay, so consent calendar.
Is there anything on the consent calendar?
Do we propose to move anything to the consent calendar?
The staff has no recommendations.
All right, let's move on.
Now we're gonna move on to public communications.
Okay, this is for items which are not on the agenda.
Under the Brown Act, the commission cannot act
on items raised during public communications
but may respond briefly to statements made
or questions posed, request clarifications,
or to refer an item to staff.
So nobody's here to talk about anything beyond items
on the agenda, I assume.
Then we'll move on.
So we're getting ready to start the public hearing.
So has anybody had any expert take communications?
No.
On either of the items?
No.
Excellent.
We'll move on.
So now we're gonna open the public hearing.
And the first item on the public hearing
is the Olympia Place Master Sign Program Amendment.
Does staff have a presentation?
Looks like you do.
Yes, good evening commissioners.
Simmer Gill, senior planner with the city.
We are here tonight to consider the master sign program
amendment for the Olympia Place Shopping Center.
The applicant representing this project, Michael Piazzola,
is here tonight as am I to answer any questions that you
may have after the presentation.
And just to quickly orient you with the site,
the Olympia Place Shopping Center
is located along multiple frontages.
The site is zoned plan development with a general plan designation of pedestrian retail.
The existing shopping center does have a master sign program that applies to all
of the buildings within the center.
The existing master sign program that was established does have different sign criteria
tailored for each building frontage and tenant location within the shopping center.
The request tonight is to amend the master sign program for signage along Mount Diablo Boulevard.
So tonight, the applicant is requesting to update the sign criteria for six specific tenant spaces that are listed on this slide, and these are all along Mount Diablo Boulevard.
The applicant is requesting to replace the existing wall-mounted business identification sign with a new canopy-mounted illuminated channel letter signage.
and also replace the existing fabric blade signs with new non-illuminated
metal blade signs. The amendment before you tonight does apply only to these
designated spaces. And all of the other tenant spaces within the shopping center
will continue to follow the criteria in the existing sign program. And the
applicant did mention that the amendment is intended basically to modernize the
property signage providing a more contemporary and integrated design with
some of the recent changes to the shopping center fronting Mount Diablo
Boulevard which was a new paint scheme and also to replace the fabric awnings
with metal canopies. And here is what the existing wall sign location along Mount
diable looks like currently. It's signage is allowed on the upper portion of the
facade and it is for these specific locations. It's identified as sign type B.
So the applicant is asking to remove the upper portion location as you can see
that sign or logo that's installed on the existing storefront. It's very high
so they want something that's more eye level and want it installed on the new
metal canopy that will replace the fabric awnings. And each sign does
measure two feet three inches in height with a sign area of approximately 21
square feet. Graphics limited to tenant names and logos will be allowed on these
sign faces. And here is the existing fabric blade signs that you see
currently within that shopping center and there's a photo of an actual one
that's there now. The applicant is proposing to update those again because
they're the existing ones are worn out and outdated so the new metal metal
that will be painted satin black will have vinyl graphics white vinyl graphics
and letterings and they will be non illuminated and meet the sign
limitations which is four and a half square feet is typically allowed for
blade sign so they'll stay within that parameter and this project is exempt
from CEQA or environmental review as it's only a change in signage criteria
to an existing commercial shopping center. There's no expansion of the
footprint or any exterior changes that would require any need of environmental
review and with that staff does recommend that the design review
Commission approve the master sign program amendment for Olympia Place
subject to the conditions of approval in attachment one which is the draft
resolution for this project. And I'm happy to answer any questions as is the
applicant. The applicant does not have a formal presentation but happy to answer
any questions. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions?
and it's just a curing out of curiosity.
Just be clear.
So it's only the signs along Mount Diablo that are changing.
Why is it only those signs?
That's a really good question.
I'd probably defer that to the applicant,
but I believe because of the existing outdated fabric
awnings that's more on this end on the Mount Diablo frontage.
If you look on locust, most of those
are already metal canopies.
OK.
And so is the intent to,
since the signs that aren't part of this
are by the old other standards, the existing standards,
there's gonna be visual cohesion between the new signs
and the old signs?
Because it seems like the old signs
are under different standards,
or am I misunderstanding that?
As I believe I presented that on the slide,
it's also part of your packet,
but the shopping center is differentiated between,
like each frontage has different type of sign types,
like the sign type B only applies to the tenant spaces
on the Mount Diablo frontage,
replacing the sign type B with B1,
which is now the metal canopy signage.
And the other frontages all have specific criteria,
which is, I don't have it in front of me,
but I believe it's like sign type C, sign type A.
So it's different.
So that would not be affected because of this change.
Okay, yeah, thank you.
Anything else?
No more questions?
Public comment?
Do we have any public comment on this?
None noted.
So do we have any commissioner comments?
Well, I'll just say I drive down that street all the time.
I think this is gonna be a positive thing.
I think, I know there's a lot of struggles with those businesses staying open.
I think it'll be a good project so that's my comment, do we do we take a
vote then? Let's do a vote. Or can I have a movement? I can have a motion
please to vote. I'll move to adopt the resolution approving the master sign
program amendment for Olympia Place subject to the conditions of approval
contained therein. Can I have a second? Can we have a roll call vote please?
Commissioner Case? Yes. Commissioner Besting? Yes. Commissioner Riley? Yes. Chair Newsom? Yes.
Motion carries. All right, very good. So let's move on to the next item on the
agenda which is the Sierra Garden multi-family residential affordable
Departments, does staff have a presentation for that?
Yes, give me a moment.
Okay.
Take your time.
She busy tonight.
I'm back, Simmergill, senior planner with the city
and we are here tonight to consider
design recommissions input on the proposed design
of the Sierra Garden multi-family development
that will be located at 150 Sierra Drive.
the applicant Jonathan, I hope they're here,
Jonathan Asman is, sorry, I was looking for you.
Jonathan Asman is here tonight, as am I,
to answer any questions that you may have
after this presentation.
And just to provide some site context,
the site is zoned plan development
with a general plan designation of multifamily,
very high density.
And this site is located within the city's housing inventory
site table which essentially means that the city envisions development or more
housing on this parcel. The site is 1.4 acres and there are existing
one-to-two story structures that consist of a 29-unit development. And here are
photos of the surrounding area as well as the project site. Let's see, I wanted to
highlight the both of the adjacent properties to the North and South are
multi-family development they are I believe two stories and the one directly
across the way to the to the West is a three-story multi-family development and
as you drive further down north there are residential properties single-family
homes. So the request tonight is to demolish the existing 29 unit structures
to construct the new six-story 87 unit affordable development. The project does
consist of a mix of one, two and three bedroom units. New landscaping is
proposed and 58 new surface parking stalls are proposed. There is a request
for tree removals and a drip line encroachment permit.
This project is being processed under the State Housing Accountability Act, State Density
Bonus Law, which the applicant is requesting for waivers and two concessions to the City's
development standards, which I'll go into more in the next slide or in the upcoming
slides.
So I wanted to highlight that tonight Design Review Commission's role is essentially to
provide feedback, that initial look of the project on the design of the new
development, the requested tree removals and drip line encroachment permits, as
well as the requested waivers under state density bonus, density bonus law.
However, the approving body or the body that will consider these entitlements
or approval will be the Planning Commission. As mentioned earlier, this
project is being processed under the Housing Accountability Act also known as
SB 330 which essentially limits the city's review if the project meets all
of the applicable objective standards. The project does fall within that
criteria as is the residential project with multiple housing units and the
project is consistent with the city's objective standards as well as the
city's design design standards. And just to go over the base density for this
project it is a 1.4 acre site. Again the multifamily very high density range is
42 to 70 dwelling units per acre which essentially equals to 99 units as the
base density for this project. It is a hundred percent affordable project. The
the applicant is entitled to a 80% increase in density,
which would then give them 79 additional bonus units.
And if they were to build under with the 79 bonus units,
they could have essentially 178 units
that are allowed for the site.
The applicant is building 87 units,
and that does comply with the zoning
and the base density of the general plan.
Four waivers are requested from the city's development standards that would physically
preclude feasibility of the housing development or result in a loss of units.
And two concessions are requested as well.
And here's a list of the development standards and what the city's requirements are as well
as what is being proposed tonight.
I think this is all explained in the staff report, but I'm happy to answer any questions
after the presentation if we need to go over any of these.
And here is the existing site plan.
As you can see, there's multiple structures on site, and the access off of Sierra Drive.
The access essentially remains the same.
There are no frontage improvements or changes to the existing sidewalk.
On here, you can see the red is the turnaround for fire access, as well as the parking stalls
and towards the back of the site, and here is the proposed ground floor, which is essentially
the first floor. Again, this shows as you enter from the middle of the site into the
lobby. They have the mail pickup area. There's also a trash enclosure area that's inside
the building offices as well as a utility and laundry room as well as a
community a community room that will be for the residents and it opens up to the
the garden air the proposed garden area and existing pool and so towards the
back of the site and here is the the material palette which does include
fiber cement plank siting vertical batten panels metal screens and
storefront glazing that's adding texture and color to the to the building. The architectural
vision for the Sierra Garden apartment uses natural inspiration and the building the building's
massing as shown here is resembling rolling hills and the tower elements the intent behind
that is to have at the key corners to design to look like a cluster of trees. I believe the
applicant does have a presentation tonight so I'll let them go more into the details of the design.
And here is the south elevation. This is essentially the primary entrance is
located on this elevation, but it is facing the side, so it's not facing the
street. However, the entry door is visible. The main entrance is visible from the
street. And here is the north elevation. This is the rear of the project of the
Building, but it as you see the way it's oriented. It's a side so for the purposes of setbacks
That's the side elevation or for for if you look at the building. This is the rear of the site
And here is the west elevation. This is a street facing and
This is what I mentioned earlier it face features that rounded corner element tower
and
The same similar design elements at the other elevations. It's applying the same
elements and
There is a landscape setback
15 feet is required from the front property from the front property line to where the building should be located. I believe
The project is providing
30 to 40 feet and it's to create this landscape setback really providing a transition between the sidewalk and the new building
And here is the east elevation, this access and this is looking to the back of the site,
so which is the rear of the site.
The ground floor storefront system, it connects the community center that opens up, it connects
to the outdoor garden, pool and the amenities that are located to the back of the site.
And here's just a closer look at the view of the entrance from Sierra Drive.
And as part of this project, the applicant is requesting tree removals.
So all of the 17 trees on site will be removed for the proposed construction.
Many of these trees are undersized, meaning in the city's tree preservation ordinance.
A tree that's nine inches or greater is considered a tree and requires a tree removal permit.
So some of these trees were in poor health, so the city arborist was able to approve the
removal and all of the undersized trees are allowed to be removed without a
permit. So then the remaining four trees that are circled here in red, they are
the species is Siberian elm, plum and palm and the privet tree. They do require
planning commission or the highest approving body approval to consider the
removal of these trees. The project is also working within the drip line of
several neighboring trees and I've highlighted these with the green star.
All of these trees will be protected and placed during construction and the
tree that's tree number 393 that is on the neighbor's property to the south
property line and that does require the authorization from the adjacent neighbor
in order to remove the tree. However, the City Arbors does support the removal
given that it's located near the emergency vehicle access and because
it's required that area is required for emergency vehicle access the city
arborist can support the removal of that. And here is the proposed
landscaping, five-gallon shrubs, grasses, stormwater plantings are proposed as
well as 42 new trees which are listed on this slide. There's a number of trees and
different types of species ranging in size from 24 inch box to 36 inch box
trees as well as three street trees. And here's a closer look at the landscaping
plan. The design does retain the existing pool in the rear and the key
site improvements include permeable paving in the parking areas, a new pool
deck a resident garden planters play areas and seating benches and landscaped
open spaces are connecting with the garden the pool and are enclosed by the
proposed permit proposed perimeter wood fencing that will be along the side and
rears of the property. And here's just a look at the proposed site lighting as
as required in the City's design standards and guidelines,
all light fixtures shall be directed downwards
or shielded so the light doesn't trespass
onto adjacent properties.
This image shows all of the proposed lighting.
And there are several light poles
that are proposed as well.
And with that, staff does recommend
that the Design Review Commission provide comments
on the proposed site design, the building plans,
the landscaping plan,
as well as the tree removal requests,
and provide a recommendation to the Planning Commission
on the design, the requested waivers,
as well as the tree removals.
With that, I do conclude my presentation,
but I wanted to state for the record,
Staff did receive, I believe, five letters
from neighboring properties,
mostly in opposition of the project,
citing density, like a dense project,
some traffic impacts, and other similar type of comments.
A copy of all of those letters
have been provided to all of you tonight.
I wasn't able to address each letter line by line,
but that is the purpose of our planning commission
staff report when the approving body
or the body that would consider the project
would want an analysis on each piece
that's been raised by either the designer
of the commission or the public.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Any questions, folks?
I guess we have a presentation.
The applicant has a presentation, yeah.
Let's go ahead with that.
Thank you.
Hi, I'm Jonathan Asteman, Director of Development at Satellite Affordable Housing Associates.
I'll take a couple minutes, two and a half minutes, to describe SAHA and the building
program and then hand it over to Pedram to dive into the design.
Satellite Affordable Housing Associates, or SAHA, is a non-profit developer, owner and
manager of affordable housing.
We're based in Berkeley and operate mostly in the East Bay.
We have a long presence in Walnut Creek with Casa Montego and Montego Place on La Casa
via across from John Muir Medical. A smaller development, Akalanese Court, just west of
downtown on Trinity Ave. And our most recent development is Arbalada on 3rd Avenue. It's
about a block west of North Main, completed in 2015. This is what it looks like. Arbalada
serves families and a few different special needs populations. I didn't squeeze it on
the slide, but it includes a couple units for people living with HIV AIDS. Why is this
project needed two main reasons the first main reason the first reason is
the existing apartments are functionally obsolete the 29 mostly smaller units at
Sierra Garden were built in phases beginning in 1948 we acquired the
property and completed a moderate rehab in 95 30 years ago and the second reason
is the acute need for affordable housing in affluent areas of coastal
California as we all know this is a large site 1.4 acres an underutilized
site and a very desirable city just east of the downtown with all its amenities.
This site is a screamer. You can't buy sites like this one. So we propose, as Simmer
mentioned, to exactly triple the amount of housing on site from 29 homes to 87.
This chart just gives you a sense of who will live here. So for example, income
income-wise, so for example a family of four would be earning $48,000 to $96,000.
And then this gives you a sense of rents. The actual rents will be lower than these
figures because an estimate of the monthly PG&E bill, PG&E electric bill for each home
will be netted out from these gross numbers. And I'll pass it to Pedram Farishbandi,
Principal with David Baker Architects. Yes. All right. Thank you, Jonathan. Hello everybody.
Pedram Farishbandi, Principal at David Baker Architects. We've done over 15,000 dwelling
units, and we've never worked in Walnut Creek, so I thought I'd give you a little bit of
a preview. Out of all those units, we always choose to show this photo, because not only
it shows two of our projects framing San Francisco City Hall, but what's really powerful about
this image, it shows two of our projects. One is a high-end condo, the other one is
supportive housing, and a lot of people cannot tell which one is what. And that's because
we apply the same design and care to every project, regardless of the affordability level.
These are our core design principle and philosophy. It's essentially about designing around the
human experience and how they connect to a place. And sustainability also is a big part
of our practice and betting on the future. And especially with affordable housing, we
try to do more with less. So Samira explained all this. I'm just going to skip these. These
These are the data of the project where it is.
It's basically right at the edge of the buffer and the more residential part of the city.
29 homes in multiple buildings, a big parking, basically, lot.
So what we did, it's a very difficult site because it's very narrow on the street frontage
and opens up.
We need to bring the fire truck access to the site, so that made it really challenging.
But also it's an opportunity to have the largest gap possible between the more low-rise end
of the site to the street.
So we have over 120 feet on one end and almost 300 feet on the other end distance, between
the building and the edge of the property.
Samir explained, you know, we're bookending the whole massing
with these organic forms, and then define the entry
with some screens and perforated metals,
and then have a base background material that is durable,
which is also essential for affordable housing projects.
The site is, you know, a large portion of it is parking,
because we have surface parking,
but we made sure these are permeable pavers,
So it really helps with the drainage
and the overall side diagram.
I want to point out to this open air entry
that it's essentially what it is.
It's open air.
We have planting, breathing into the lobby.
That also happens on the upper floors.
So you can see the ground floor.
And then on the upper floors, we also keep that openness.
So you come out of the elevator.
So that helps you orient where you are in the project
and also have access to light at every floor.
The entry experience, you always can see multiple materials
when you look at the project, regardless of the angle.
The bookend is, you can see the organic form on one end
and then the background material.
The windows facing south will have a perforated sunshade.
And in terms of materials, I'm going to explain
some of these materials.
One thing I want to point out is this random baton siding
that we pioneered in the office.
essentially hardy panels with hardy trims nailed onto it that creates this exciting and textured
material that is also affordable and durable. So this is our bookend material.
The entry is also marked with this perforated layered screen that also comes in front of the
open stair that we had that also marks the entry. This is an example of a project we recently
finished on the Colosseum art. As you stand on the sidewalk, you can see the entry and the
perforated mesh. As you enter the site, you can see the screen covering the open air lobby on the
upper floors and the ground floor and wraps on the bike room and also this through view into the
lobby and beyond. In the back, we are going to restore the pool and have the community room that
that opens to this beautiful garden
that is nicely landscaped.
And I wanna finish with the fire diagram
because it's a very difficult site
in order to bring the fire truck access all the way
to the end, it's really limit
and explain why we put the building where we put it.
Thank you.
Any questions?
Yes, I do have a question.
Is the resident garden, are those like rentable plots
and the residents can apply to maintain one?
Or is there like a minimum level of care
that will go into that?
Talk to me about that.
Yeah, it's usually something that,
we believe it creates community.
It's something that the residents take,
it's usually there is a committee
that whoever is interested will be in charge of it.
And it's something to bring the community together.
But yes, it's usually run by the residents
and the property management will have an oversight on it.
I'll let Jonathan to explain it a little bit more.
From what I've heard from our resident services team,
there hasn't been a building where there's not enough space
in a waiting list.
You could give someone a little more or less space,
but not everyone's interested.
And usually, there's enough space for everyone
to get a plot to grow herbs or vegetables.
And if you guys considered things like outdoor gathering
spaces that aren't just playgrounds in a pool,
or is this really the primary program you feel like people
want in these environments?
We went through a number of conceptual designs.
Several of them had almost no outdoor space.
And what we really like with the six story version
is we actually have dirt.
And if we could zoom in, but they're actually,
maybe you could describe the...
Yeah.
Yeah, you asked about informal kind of hangout places.
There are areas there, including shaded under the...
Yeah, so we have what is marked as community room
that really opens to that covered but outdoor space,
so that's that flexible outdoor area
that also is buffered with the landscape,
so that's basically the area that is for outdoor.
But we also wanted to have the resident garden
that is also very flexible,
So depending on how much interest you get,
you may add or deduct the planting best in that area.
OK.
Those are my questions for the moment.
You guys have any questions?
Maybe let's just take a look at the elevations, if you can.
Could you explain for me how, I mean,
obviously great renderings or great photographs
that you've provided.
I mean, that kind of variegated siding,
where does that occur?
So what you see as a darker material
is that random baton siding.
So the bookends, essentially, where you see it a lot,
it has that premium material.
And then everything in white is basically
just horizontal, rd-plank?
Yes.
Right.
Maybe let's look at the side elevation a bit.
Similar.
I don't have the actual elevation.
OK, that's all right.
But yeah.
Yeah.
OK.
Yeah, so everything that's more or less in white
is it's all horizontal.
That's right.
White siding, right?
Yeah.
And then the kind of gray in the middle is.
That's the screen.
That's the perf screen.
And then you have the green block, which is.
I can't read that, that's just green.
It's also fiber cement panel.
Yeah, yeah.
And then going back to the site plan,
I mean, let's just maybe just as a context
talk about what is around it.
I just recall most of what's around this.
Maybe there's one that was more of a Google view.
That's fine.
I mean, is what I'm looking at to the north of that block,
is that that's apartments, right?
That's right.
In two stories?
Yeah.
And to the right, that's all single story residential?
Right.
OK.
And then what about on the bottom?
Those are also apartments.
Those are all apartments and all more or less two and a half
stories, right?
Yeah.
OK.
I believe there are talk on their parking
and two stories of apartments under.
That's it for now.
And I mean, I think, I mean, there was one thing,
Simmer said, that I thought was interesting.
I mean, you guys did look at units as many as 178 units
on this side or more.
That's right.
So all, what is now landscape used to be buildings.
And then it was essentially too big of a building.
So talking to Jonathan in terms of management
and what's appropriate for this building,
we made the building smaller.
Would you say that there's more landscaping
and more open space now than there is currently?
More or less, or about the same?
If you don't count the parking
and the driveway as open space,
there is more usable open space.
And how about, what is the parking now
on the site versus what is proposed?
Jonathan, how many parking you have right now?
I don't recall offhand.
I could follow up with an info in the morning.
But 30.
OK.
I think that's good for now.
Thanks.
So I think we're going to open it up to public comment now,
right?
No other comments?
Questions come?
No more questions?
Comments are coming up.
OK, so we're going to open it up for public comment.
If you want to make a public comment,
you have to turn in a card as everybody
Does everybody have the cards?
No.
You'll want to grab a card, put your name down on it,
and then get in line.
I think you're going to have how much time are we giving them?
Two minutes each to talk.
Commissioner has a question of staff while that's going on.
Why don't you go ahead.
I had a question about the recommendation
paragraph and the statement that that staff would recommend that we would
find this project exempt from CEQA. I'm wondering why when it has a lot of
environmental issues and parking, traffic, all of this the height all of
those things could could be an impact. Yeah so there are no environmental
issues and this was evaluated by not only planning staff,
the city engineer, the building official.
So we've looked at everything and if I need to go down
the infill CEQA exemption, essentially as is the project
consistent with the zoning and general plan.
Yes it is, it's a multi-family development
and that's allowed in the zoning.
And is the parcel less than five acres
because that would then qualify it for an exemption
under infill development.
This is a, I believe, 1.4 acre parcel.
Are there's existing utilities on site?
There is no habitat for endangered species
because there's existing development on site.
So these are all the criterias
and the one that you're probably most curious about
is are there any significant effects
to traffic, air, quality, or noise?
So that was evaluated, and again, this will be presented in more depth in the Planning
Commission staff report, but just if you want to know just the significant traffic impacts,
I did get some information from the traffic engineer, and there are existing, the project
has 11 trips.
The proposed would be 34, so that's a total of 23 net new trips.
order for a project to be considered a substantial increase they would need at
least a hundred and ten net new trips which would then sorry net yeah 110 net
yeah peak hours correct thank you for that clarification so so is that trips
per hour correct peak hour yeah peak hour yeah okay the worst case scenario
like the busiest time I should also say that that what Sims representing there
as a CEQA exemption class 32 for an infill exemption and then the infill
exemption specifically has those has those items in it there's it's a there's
five tests and the ones that include impacts don't include all the impacts
that are on the initial study list it only includes those five that she listed
traffic noise habitat yeah that's such and we found it have zero to meet that
test and that's quantitative right it's not qualitative so like when you're
talking about a number of trips that's an actual set number of trips right it's
codified more or less it's at least there's standards for that in there's
absolutely standards for that yeah okay I'm sorry I kind of talked over you
Anything else? Okay, so how about some public comments? Let's start
coming up. Who will be first? Please please give your card to Simmer.
Good evening, my name is Rob Rutan. I've been a longtime resident of Walnut Creek
about 33 years, coached high school across at Las Lomas. I go down Sierra
every day. It's a great design. I like what I saw. I especially like the
comparison from San Francisco.
My concerns, my number one concern is parking.
But having seen the design and see the very narrow 1.4-acre
spot it's going in, I can only tell you
that I'm glad you didn't put 178 units in there.
But I'll tell you.
To me, I'm looking at that image right there.
That image is really not that accurate.
This is an incredibly narrow plot of land.
And you're putting a six-story 87 unit that really does not
match much of what else is going on there.
And that's a big concern of mine.
After 33 years in Walnut Creek, I
care about one thing, the quality of life in this town.
I'm also very, very much an advocate of affordable housing.
I think it's fantastic.
I'm ignorant of all the different laws
that have been passed to provide those opportunities
for affordable development, especially in Walnut Creek.
But I've got a huge problem with the narrowness
and the size of this property for a six-story building,
number one.
And number two, I think we're on a slippery slope.
I've seen other developments go up
that have parking 50% of what the units are going to be.
And I think that's irresponsible and always
going to lead to future issues.
To build an 87-unit six-story building with how many parking
spots, 62, 58, I think it's irresponsible.
That street is incredibly busy and it's congested already.
I travel it up and down every day.
There's people pulling out all the time.
It's only gonna aggravate that whole situation.
So it's a great design, I appreciate you guys doing this.
I just don't think it fits here on Sierra
and hopefully you consider that seriously.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Next up.
Hi.
My name is Matt Dooling.
I live on Bradley Avenue also, neighbor of Rob's.
We moved here about 15 years ago from the city.
And one of the reasons is to get away from high density.
It's a great neighborhood, but going back to him,
parking is huge.
I drove down Walnut, and I don't know if you can see this,
but this is at 3 o'clock today.
I mean, not 3 o'clock, 5 o'clock.
That's everyday and that's actually nothing.
That doesn't happen.
It goes all the way to Sierra and all the way around.
As you all know, it goes, I mean, every single day.
How much is this gonna add to that?
I mean, Walnut, I can't even leave my house
between three and five.
I can't make a ride on Ignacio.
I can't go straight.
So I have to go that way, right?
So parking and like you said, I do like the design.
I like affordable housing but just me driving here
About a half hour ago, I went around downtown,
and there was probably, I mean, Potter's Putt-Putt,
that's been empty for how long?
10 plus years?
I mean, there's 201 Civic, North Civic.
There's so many different empty lots
that are sitting around just for parking
with an empty building in it.
I mean, these are all closer to downtown too, so.
I mean, parking and traffic are gonna be crazy,
so I wanna, I mean, there's nothing really can do
about the height, I don't know.
I guess your hands might be tied,
but parking in the traffic Greek nuts.
Thank you.
Thank you.
My name's Steve Lawler.
We own the property at 172 CR Drive,
which is directly next door to the project they're proposing.
And I totally agree.
The project is beautiful and the design is great.
The issues are obvious.
There's 29 units right now with 30 spaces.
There's going to be 89 units with 50 some odd.
Triple the people, triple the visitors, triple the traffic on a road that's impacted.
Took me 30 minutes this morning to drive from my property to Ignatia Valley Road.
That is 5 tenths of a mile.
It's getting to the point where I have trouble renting to people down there.
No parking, no access, can't get in and out.
I guess we gotta decide what we want the city to be.
I totally agree with affordable.
It's affordable now.
It's been section A since we've owned the property.
And there's issues, but not major.
And ones we've got to accept, living in Walnut Creek,
we can't just be, no, Walnut Creek.
We have to be good to the whole area.
But a triple in the population of one building,
six stories towering over my property,
it already has a seven-foot elevation change.
Their property is seven feet higher than mine right now.
So it's going to greatly affect the value of our property
and it's gonna greatly affect the quality of life
of Walnut Creek.
And not just for the people that live on Sierra,
for everybody that decides that's the way
to go through town.
And we all know everybody does it.
You drive on the other side of Walnut
and they've got the signs up,
we'll give you a ticket if you drive through here,
which we know is just no performative art,
but that's how bad it is over there.
We're twice as bad, and we will be four times as bad.
We just built another property there.
How many units went in on a walnut?
Crammed it in a little court.
Used to be one house, now it's eight.
We can't keep doing this in that area.
Do it all over, but not just in one area.
Thank you for taking the time, I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Who's next?
Hi, good evening, my name is Richard Torres.
I live at Sierra Garden Apartments.
been there for 25 years, and I feel it is an aging complex.
It does need to be rebuilt, because there's always
something going wrong.
We need people coming by to fix it.
Not all the time, everyone's available to fix things.
And looking at this, I think it's very nice.
And I can see these other guys concerned
about the parking and that, and traffic.
But in the same token, we also need these kind of things
for affordable.
Because I live on a fixed income.
And so we need this sort of thing.
And I think this is great that Walnut Creek
has this type of thing.
And my one, my concerns is guest parking.
I don't know if this complex will have guest parking or not,
but oh, it does.
Cause you know, I guess they always have to park
in the street and the street on Sierra drive
is very hard to find parking spaces
cause there's way too many red zones there.
So I'm hoping that this new building
will have guest parking.
But overall, you know, like I said,
coming from a resident that lives there.
I think it's a great location.
It's nice and quiet.
It's sort of hidden behind there.
And I just want to say it's,
I think it's what it's doing very well.
And I can see these guys idea too about parking and traffic
and that might be a concern.
But overall, I see really nothing wrong
with having this place rebuilt because it does need it.
Because like I said, I've been there 25 years
and the place is going to start falling apart
because it needs to be redone.
and the plumbing and everything and it's old.
I mean, I don't know when these places were built,
but they're obviously antiques.
So I just wanted to state the fact
that I think this project will be a big boon
to us affordable housing people.
Thank you.
My name is Jan Konstan,
with Yorti Sater's Mill Court in Walnut Creek.
It's in the neighborhood.
We've been here for about 20 years.
I certainly appreciate the fact
that it's very nicely outlined project.
The building is beautiful.
And I kind of agree with the previous speakers
with their comments.
Our main concern is the height of the building,
to be honest, because there is a lot of private homes around,
including ours.
This building is quite a bit higher than everything
in the neighborhood.
the condos across, I believe, are only three or four stories.
So I see the need for affordable housing, of course,
and the fact that the buildings there now are quite old.
I'm just afraid that such a tall building will
create a certain degree of invasion of privacy
for the neighboring homes because, you know, like pretty much all the backyards will be exposed.
That's my main concern, but the project otherwise looks nice and I think they did a great job.
All right, thank you. Thank you. Next. Hi, my name is Leo Bate. I live across the street from
the proposed development. My concern is the same as everyone else with traffic and parking.
I also saw that traffic was backed up to Sierra today from WCI. I went to WCI myself in Las Lomas.
The parking in that area is already impacted. I live in that area. When I give my guest parking,
my personal parking away to a guest, I have to circle the block. This takes me sometimes upwards
of a half an hour. I'd also like to remind people that kids go into WCI, kids go into Las Lomas,
they walk this. I see it every single day. So I think it's very irresponsible to put that, to put
three times as many units and twice as the amount of parking when the parking is already messed up.
We love affordable housing. We love to welcome new people to the town. However, this place,
It's already impacted. The infrastructure can't take it already. I think that the proposal
would not work. The concession that's being asked is not just of the city.
It's also from me in perpetuity. That's it. Anybody else? Oh, yes. Thank you.
Hi, my name is Lihi. I live with my husband and our three kids, nine, seven and six,
at 70 Mcguire Drive, and the complex building is in our backyard.
So we know our neighbors because they see our backyard,
and we get to say hello to them when we're outside
and when we're out in the pool.
And building, this is a three-story building,
and it's already shading the entire backyard.
Obviously, whatever they said is very important,
but I'm coming from a personal.
We bought this house.
We invested a lot of money in remodeling this house.
And if there is a six-story complex building
outside our backyard, we will not get any sun.
It will literally shade the entire house.
Not only the fact that it's going to take, what,
two years to build, at least, we will
be living in a construction zone.
dust, and pollution, and noise.
So for us, it's a complete disaster.
We bought this house a year ago.
Two years ago, we moved a year ago after remodeling.
We built a pool three months ago.
We just finished the pool two weeks ago.
I just want to show you pictures just
so you can understand how close this is.
This is from our backyard.
I don't know if you can see when we come closer,
but this is the complex building right now.
So this is my backyard and this is the building.
This is how close.
This is my pool.
This is the complex building.
So I am the most affected from this building.
And I'm just thinking, we just bought the house.
Who's gonna wanna rent it from us
if we decide not to live there because of the construction?
Who's gonna wanna buy this house from us
if we decide to sell it one day?
So I'm hoping this is something you will take under consideration
because it's devastating to us.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Anybody else?
No more comments?
OK, so let's go on to commissioner comments.
Response.
Oh, wait.
Sorry.
You guys want to go ahead and respond?
Does the applicant wish to respond?
I was just going to respond to you when you ask about CEQA.
There's also a new law, AB 130, that recently passed that
exempts any housing project that is less than 20 acres
from any CEQA review.
So that was passed after the application went in.
Thanks.
I hate when people read from slides.
But essentially, there's several studies
that show that the biggest determinant of how many cars
you own is a mix of income and how much space
you have to store the cars.
Yeah, and then the neighborhood has amenities right there.
There's like a safe way right there.
Not that that means you don't need to own a car,
but I think.
Can't make comments.
That's it, thank you.
No other response from you guys?
Okay, so let's open it up for commissioner comments then.
Go ahead.
You guys always make me start.
Okay, so I wanna talk a little bit about
the landscape plans, so maybe if we can pull that up,
That would be helpful.
So I appreciate that there's a lot of landscape areas.
I think that's nice.
What goes through my mind with these kind of projects
is that it's almost the responsibility of the site
to replace the resident's backyard, right?
So that's why I asked about
if there's barbecue features and stuff.
I do like that there is a garden.
I'm gonna get nit picky for a minute.
I think the circulation around the site
is a little bit circuitous.
And so that has me kind of like,
all right, so you wanna go to your garden?
Is there gonna be an easy way to get to it
and get your vegetables?
It looks like you kind of have to go through
the community area and it's like implied
that that's fenced in this graphic,
but I'm not really sure yet the white sidewalk
that's like the perimeter pathway
kind of goes into that central area.
Anyway, I'm sure there's a plan
and these things are just early days,
but I want it to be a little more obvious
how you move through the space and get
from one end to another.
I also had a similar reaction on the Sierra Drive frontage.
That pathway is also kind of circuitous.
If you just want to get to the street,
because fewer people in this development
are going to have cars, right?
I think that's our goal.
So maybe they're walking to Safeway or WCI
or whatever's nearby.
I think they might want to just get to the sidewalk.
So I would also love it if there was something other
than storm water at that front area.
I'm not sure what.
Maybe it just feels a little bit more like in amenity,
because that tends to look a little ratty and gnarly
over time.
I was impressed that it's all impervious parking and paving.
That's kind of cool.
I did appreciate the fire diagram.
That helped me understand the layout a little bit better.
I don't know if the pool in the back corner
makes a ton of sense.
Maybe it wants to be closer to the building.
I don't know.
I clearly just have some thoughts
about the arrangement and programming of the landscape
that I think could use a little more refinement.
Where else are my notes?
The height of the building when I opened the plans
was really surprising.
So I understand the density.
For me, it actually feels, I'm glad people
visually. It feels a little urban for me. I like the diagram of the organicness, but I didn't see that totally translate to the building.
So I think the building in and of itself is nice, but I'm not sure that it really goes with the area. So we've kind of got the height working against us,
and then the style also feels a little bit differentiated from anything else I've seen around. I'm okay with architecture changing and evolving,
So I don't want it to be the same boxes that you see everywhere. So I appreciate that it was different
But I'm not sure if it's feeling
Like soft enough or intimate enough. I don't know the right words
Maybe Phil can help me but there's something like I just had a reaction when I saw it
So I figured I would say it out loud
I
Wonder if I just have to pontificate about parking a little bit because I always talk about having fewer parking spots and I think maybe
Encouraging people to be less dependent on cars is a good thing
So I'm just going to say out loud, maybe you are advertising and honest like,
hey, because we're so close to downtown,
we want to let you guys know that we have minimal parking,
and that is how we keep your rates low or whatever it may be,
so that people when they move into this property understand that that's part of the commitment.
It was just an idea because I actually live really nearby and I walk everywhere.
It's great. That doesn't mean I don't have a car and I don't park into my driveway,
so I recognize that barrier,
but I think maybe encouraging it to be walkable
and bikeable and less car dependent is a really good move,
and I like that.
I do feel conflicted about the height impacting
and shading the neighbors.
That's hard.
I'm not sure of the solution.
And I think that's it.
So I too like the sort of the concept
that drove the design of the building
and really appreciate that in the reference
to the beauty that is Walnut Creek.
I also felt like it really stood out in this space.
So while in and of itself, it's an interesting building
and it's aesthetically nice.
the amount of white seems to be pretty glaring
when looking at sort of the color scheme
of the rest of the neighborhood.
So like Commissioner Case said,
it's trying to figure out how to be progressive,
but also maybe reflect a little bit of the neighborhood
that this building is existing in.
For me as well, with going to the landscaping,
it would be so like in the front in just looking
at this diagram or looking at the renders,
I think that if the denser the landscape can be,
the higher the trees can be, plants are, as we know,
like a really good way of softening things,
especially when something is new to an environment.
So I would really recommend that really going
into that trees, I think even in the landscape plan
there is says play area amongst trees as part
of the conceptual landscape imagery.
Walnut Creek's really hot.
So the more trees there are,
the denser those trees are planted,
the more that the children will,
it can actually be that place for play in that.
So I would really recommend kind of pushing on that side
and as much as possible,
choosing those trees on the plant list
that will get to the highest heights
and putting in those specimens,
the larger specimens,
I think here we're talking 36 inch boxes,
24 inch boxes, 15 gallons, maybe going up from that
as far as tree size goes for those initial plantings.
Thank you, so next.
My comment relates to this surrounding neighborhood
and the neighbors.
I would encourage you if you haven't done it yet
to do a shade study.
And because you have different setbacks now,
because the buildings that are existing
are in different places than this one will be,
it might be a bigger and it might be a smaller impact
on your direct neighbors.
So I don't know if you've done that yet,
but I would consider it before you go to Planning Commission.
I think I agree with that comment a lot.
I think it's clear the neighbors in some ways
understanding the design a bit might help alleviate
some of those concerns.
I think I'm the sole architect here.
I'll tell you that I'm a big fan of affordable housing.
I think that I'm also a big fan of David Baker,
I went to Berkeley, know the work.
And I appreciate your being here
and I appreciate the application.
I appreciate the fact that you could've had 178 units
and you're restrained in that way.
I'm gonna say that this application is very different
than the other ones we've seen
since the state mandates came into effect.
This is very different.
And I'd say the real positive of this design
is the amount of open space that you provided.
As opposed to, but as you can see,
and we should all pay attention to this,
this comes at a price, right?
So when you want this density,
the density could be higher.
They were restrained.
But it comes at a cost.
You have to have six stories
to have the economics work, I suppose.
I see play areas and stuff that we just haven't seen
in the other applications like this.
So I basically applaud you guys for doing that.
I'd say nonetheless, I'd say starting from the outside there,
you may check the boxes in terms of environmental review,
but there are very serious environmental issues
with this, with this site.
Mr. Ratan who lives across the street,
he's not just a lacrosse coach,
he was my son's lacrosse coach.
So it, these are people that I, that, you know,
you guys are all our neighbors and we're concerned about it.
and we have walked down the street, Sierra Drive.
I've done it myself, I've dropped my kids off at WCI.
I've turned that corner of Sierra
to try to pick up a couple of minutes going to work.
These are very serious things that you have to think about
and you know, since I, by the way folks,
we are not voting on this tonight.
We have had our authority to vote on these projects
taken away because this is state mandate.
So there's nothing that we can do to stop the project.
All we can do is encourage the planning commission
to look and do what they have to do.
So the number one thing is parking and traffic.
We need to be sure that it is exempt.
I don't know what that means.
I think it means more work for the staff.
And I'm sorry about that,
but this will have a profound impact on parking
in this neighborhood.
There already is not enough parking.
I've circled myself going around in this area.
I ride my bike down the street.
Every parking spot is taken.
And where these people are going to park, I don't know.
I do think over time, people will have less cars.
And I'd say it is a little bit taking a little bit of Berkeley
or San Francisco out at some of the great projects
that have been done there and trying to drop it here.
Well, unlike a place like Berkeley
where there has never been parking,
parking kind of works here.
So you kind of have to bring people along.
So I just encourage some more thought work around that
to the extent that it can be done.
I'd say that building, when you think about this,
you're taking a community where they're used to parking cars
and you're trying,
I know there'll be new people coming out
outside of the community.
That's what we hope, right, is we can have people who can work in our businesses and
afford to live here.
But still, people need to be trained and brought along to have less parking.
So another question is, is there going to be enough bike parking?
If people are not going to have cars, this is not downtown Berkeley, where you can walk
two blocks to the BART station.
I have walked, my office is a mile away from here, I've walked from my house.
I know it's a full mile to Bart from here,
so there has to be enough bike parking.
There absolutely should be some accommodation for loading
for people to drop off,
because they're not gonna walk to Bart,
they're gonna take Ubers and other things,
so that needs to be thought about.
Hopefully people are gonna work downtown,
but we know most of the people
who live in Walnut Creek don't work there,
and we're not building high-rise office buildings
any time soon.
So I encourage you to look at loading,
I encourage you to look at any other kind of traffic impacts
that you can.
I do think, I appreciate that many of you said
the building was beautiful, I think it's very different
than what we have here in Walnut Creek.
But this kind of density calls for that.
I'd say nonetheless, because my job to comment on design,
I'd say, I like the variegated site
and I've seen it used on other buildings,
I think that's nice.
I think, I think there's too much white.
I think it could be broken down a little further
like some of the other examples that you'd shown
out of David Baker's office.
I think you could break it down a little bit further.
And I think when you guys do go to the planning commission
cause you're going there, make sure,
maybe have site section, shade studies and so forth
that can maybe mitigate some of the community's concerns
because I think the design answers some of those questions.
I mean, I think you could have had much tighter setbacks
than you had for sure.
I mean, if you were at 178 units, which you could have been,
you would have had this density all the way up
to the property lines and less parking,
which all of which you could have done.
So I appreciate that.
I think that's what I have.
Anything else?
Go ahead.
I have a list.
Okay.
We can run down these.
I think I know how this is going to end, but we'll just go through and see if we can reach
consensus on some of these items.
For Commissioner Case, there was circuitous pathways to address those both in front and
the rear.
Right?
Yes.
Okay.
Addressed?
Okay.
And while you're out at the front, take a look at that C3, and was it a- was the issue
that it was the there was all the C3 in the front or is it just or just the
front was all C3 both both address that the pool is already there yeah I had the
same comment address the building to be more organic or to more reflect the
vision I heard that from a couple commissioners so address that maybe look
at the white okay maybe that toned on the color palette a little bit in that
in that section you know find what you mean by organic try to make it
actionable it's it's sharp like except for the rounded tree tree trunk silo
elements everything is very sharp could we go to the slide where it shows the
full? Yeah, that's good. I believe Commissioner Casey's
the word urban.
Yeah. So I think that in blending with the trees and
blending with the hills and blending with it, it's, you
know, the brown tones are really nice, the green tone is
nice and maybe incorporating more within that range. So more of the green tones, different
shades of the brown tones. I like that it's not this like what we've seen a lot of where it's these
funny boxes and they're in these yellows and oranges and it's nice that it's in those natural
tones but bringing down the white and incorporating more of the greens and browns and maybe even some
organic grades. I think that there's a slide and a page in the presentation that shows the
inspiration for that organic and thank you. So I echo all of their comments that's why I didn't
make them again but where you see like the fiber cement that almost looks wood or something like
like that that could, as they said, be more organic,
would be helpful.
And I look at this, and the canopy leaves,
there's more perforation at the base,
which I know happens in that central area,
but that's actually recessed.
It feels like the jewel of it is that netted central piece,
but it's tucked in.
Yeah, I think the balance, I think that's a good point.
I think the balance of, I think the detailed materials
that they're showing are great.
I think they should turn up the volume a little bit
on those things.
I don't like the white.
I like white buildings.
But I think here, Walnut Creek, it's
beyond just the fact that it doesn't fit.
I mean, we have a lot of bugs and spider webs and stuff.
It shows a lot on the white.
That's why.
I have a White House.
My wife wanted to paint white.
We're constantly out there with a broom wiping everything down.
You're not going to wipe down six stories.
Next?
Okay, so I think we've settled that.
Also, shade study.
Yeah.
Maybe on that corollary, show it the planning commission,
show that like sectionally,
how far away it is from various property lines.
Okay.
Can we back up for one sec?
Yep.
Go to those elevations one more time.
Go to the other elevation, the opposite elevation.
That one I think needs more work than the more exposed one.
That's gonna be right up against the other property lines.
So all elevations, the two long elevations,
front and back I think are fine.
Keep rolling that.
Okay, and then there was also discussion of bike parking
and loading zone, which is really,
which is site improvements.
They're required to have bike parking
and it's a pretty big number.
It's probably inside,
but there might be some outside parking
for visitor parking as well.
I'm surprised there's not on here,
but I would bet that it's programmed, correct?
Yeah, yeah.
60.
And then we can take a look at the loading issue.
I think you gotta make, when you print sentimental,
you're gonna need to make a better case
of how all this can work, you know?
I'm worried though, like loading, I don't know.
I feel like it's hard for us to say we need loading,
but also say we don't have enough parking.
It's like, so we'll have to give up
a parking spot for loading for the Uber and Amazon,
or do we just, they block it for a few minutes
and then they go?
I don't know.
The loading didn't bother me.
It was just the one thing I was like, okay.
But what about when people are moving in and out?
Don't they need the loading then?
But doesn't that seem like maybe two days out of 365?
You know what I mean?
If we're that hard pressed for parking,
it seems like loading is one of the first things
I would vote to.
I don't think one part, I mean,
I get it on the one or two parking spaces,
I think really just consider the actual alternatives
people are gonna have to use as opposed to driving, right?
So like if it's not a loading zone, fine,
but there's gonna be 30 Ubers in this lot every day or more.
People are gonna, you know,
they're not gonna wanna walk home,
it's a rainy day, it's gonna be nuts.
Just to be clear, the loading we're asking for is a truck loading area, so it's like
30 feet.
It's for big trucks.
Oh, okay.
Thanks.
What really happens with Uber, I think they're going to drive into the driveway, drop off
the passenger, hook them up, and then use the fire turnaround to turn around and then
go back.
And then with the bike parking, we were thinking about providing more, but our experience
has been if you have a nice bark you just you take it to your unit so I mean
you got to sell this to the Planning Commission these are things you don't
want to talk about that's okay I don't know I don't know yeah okay I think
that's did I miss anything I mean my only my additions of the density of the
plantings and the height of the plantings so would that mean more trees or
or just more everything?
I think more trees.
So I do, I really do appreciate the amount of open space
and green space and places for people to,
for residents to be outside.
Agreeing also with commissioner case
that this is probably still in development.
So, you know, how people will use that space
will be developed.
But in general, I think that more trees
and taller trees will make this feel more
settled in the neighborhood.
And marrying to that comment, so I mentioned site sections.
Drawing site sections, putting trees
in the appropriate locations where
the views of this will be blocked
and the views to the neighbors can be blocked.
Because I think the gift of the site plan
is there's a lot of room to incorporate
more screening somehow.
And it doesn't all have to be right up against the property
line.
It can be brought back, but there
is space to do more screening.
More trees in the common areas, correct?
Yeah, or even in then, I mean, if you're
looking at this plan, even along the south side,
where the driveway is, and if we're
looking at this slide at that bottom row there,
those are residential homes that are directly affected.
In the rear rear, in the back back.
Back back.
That's adjacent to that, our eight neighborhood,
everything else is higher density multifamily.
Yeah, so you can see, there is a planting bed there.
So there is that opportunity to really create screening
with something that's inexpensive and easy to maintain.
Also the comment was made about the usability of the space
for the residents and the Tottlott
and how hot it gets here.
And so the trees relate to that as well,
that there needs to be space for children
and families to gather and not get cooked.
Okay, I think we're there.
All right.
Okay, that's the end of that.
I'm so close to the public hearing so next up is
Commissioner consideration commission considerations this portion of agendas for items not on the not required to be publicly noticed
It but we're formal staff presentation
What anything?
Well, I'd be there for item 5 or 6 but the next meeting on 9 17 will have one item
That's gonna look at a mixed use building on Mount Diablo. I
Think that will also be presented by Miss Gil
we will also have a guest secretary that night as the secretary will be out of
state, and that'll be Crystal DeCastro. I think you've met Crystal. She's our
principal long-range planner. I do not think we have any scheduled. Yeah and it
was brought up earlier about this, the item tonight going to sign sub, but it
it's just so minor that I'd figure why have two meetings for that yeah okay
Commission member or in staff reports or announcements none I won't be at the
second October meeting just that's I won't either who said I'll be in France
I'll be I won't be here for the first one. Okay, so there's a meeting on October 15th. That's the only meeting
That's the one that's the one I'm missing. You'll be absent. I will and so will
Commissioner basing. Okay, so we will not have a quorum that night
We have two items on that agenda. So we'll just have to move those
what was it what was that the only date we were talking about yes yeah okay is
that the second October one I'm not a factor on November we have a meeting
November 5th I will not make that one sorry you will not make that a month
I'm retired now we really need we're near mr. Riley were you were you gonna
were you did I hear you were gonna be absent some meetings okay mr. Newsom
since we're scheduling. There is a September 17th, October 15th, and November 5th. So
there isn't the first one in October. And that'll be the only, I think that's the
only meeting in November because of the holiday. Can we move the 15th to the 1st so we're
here for it? Sorry guys thank you. Thanks. I'm out of town from
September so we wouldn't be able to yeah so we we can't do October yeah okay so
it looks like
oh my gosh can you take me
oh yeah oh my gosh amazing and there there is no October 1st meeting because
of a holiday.
Great.
Okay, and then there is no second November meeting because of a holiday, a holiday, October
1st.
Although I'm not sure that November 18th is out yet.
It's just hasn't made it to this calendar.
So we might there might be a meeting on the November 19th.
They're there.
I'm sorry, the 19th.
Yes, there might be one then just load it up.
figure it out. I have zero news for you. Okay are we done? Did you close it?
You want to bang the hammer?
Adjourned!