I could hear you. You can see me. Or if you even need to see me, I don't know. Not much to look at.
I'm Peter Maniani, Chair of the Arts Commission. Welcome to the July 20th, 2026 Arts Commission regular meeting.
The Arts Commission is conducting this meeting from the City Council Chambers and via teleconference from the lobby
lobby of Wild Goose Meadows RV at 18920 Highway 395, North Lake View, Oregon, to accommodate
Commissioner Kerlin, who was attending remotely due to a previously scheduled trip.
Please refer to the end of the agenda to review options for participating in the meeting.
If you would like to view the meeting remotely, you may do so in one of the following ways.
YouTube Live, Comcast Cable Channel 28, Rossmore Channel 1082, Astound Channel 31, and AT&T
Uverse Channel 99, or live stream online on the city's website.
Before we get to the roll call, I'd like to officially introduce and welcome our newly
appointed Commissioner Sherry Kerland, who, as I say, is with us remotely, to this, her
first Arts Commission meeting. And Commissioner Kirland, maybe you want to say a few words about
yourself and why you decided to join the Arts Commission. Okay, thank you very much. I decided
because I was invited by the folks that had the commissions in Walnut Creek and I've been in
resident of Walnut Creek for over 30 years and I attended the Citizens Institute, which was a
wonderful way to get introduced to the workings of Walnut Creek City and when
the Arts Commission opening came up I applied and was thrilled to have gone
through the interview process and be chosen to be on the board with you all.
I am I'm retired I am a practicing ceramicist let's say I practice a lot
and I enjoy I love Walnut Creek and I love public art and I love the options
when we're able to walk downtown and see fresh new things that beautify our
environment so happy to be here and thank you very much for having me.
Welcome. Commissioner Secretary Chris Farrow please take the roll. Good evening.
Commissioner Perlman's absent. Commissioner Balatsar's absent. Commissioner
Dresser. Commissioner Kerlin. Here. Thank you. Vice chair Tesfaye. Here. And chair
Magnani. Here. Thank you. Next on the agenda is public communications. This
portion of the meeting is reserved for comment on items not on the agenda. Under
the Brown Act, the Commission cannot act on items raised during public
communications but may respond briefly to statements made or questions posed, request
clarification or refer the item to staff.
Do we have any public comments?
All right.
Seeing no speakers, I'll close the public communications portion of the meeting.
Next on the agenda is the consent calendar.
Does any commissioner wish to pull any item for discussion?
Does any member of the public wish to comment on an item on the consent calendar?
none. I'll ask commissioners if anybody would like to make a motion on the consent calendar.
This will be a motion to approve the calendar. I move that we approve the consent calendar
as presented. And then do we have a second? I second that. I second that motion. We have
a first and a second. Both commissioners, Parleman and Valles are absent. Commissioner
Yes. Commissioner Carlin. Yes. Thank you. Vice Chair Tesfaye. Aye. And Chair McNemey.
Yes. Passes. Thank you. And next on the agenda is item 4A, consideration of artwork to be
DSSed from the city's permanent public art collection. And I'd invite Public Art Manager
Mariah Nelson to give us a presentation. Hello. Good evening Arts Commissioners. Mariah
Nelson, Public Art Manager, happy summer and welcome Commissioner Kirland. Nice to see you
reporting live from the RV park. Happy to have you join us. So tonight, we have a single item on
the agenda for your consideration. Currently there are 21 artworks in the city's collection
I'm presented to you for deaccession approval.
Can I have those slides up?
The slides will help.
So deaccessioning is the formal process
by which artwork is removed from a collection
and is recognized as a legitimate form
and an essential aspect of collections,
stewardship, and management.
to read this so in 1978 the city adopted admin policy number 78-2 which is the
acquisition of artworks but before this before the adoption of this policy
there were no formal procedures in place to guide the acquisition of donated
artwork and consequently there are artworks in the city's collection that
were accepted without a clear strategy
for proper care, display, or storage.
And as a result, there is a substantial amount of artwork
that we have in the city's collection that is currently
being stored.
And it would be not potentially acquired today
under today's standards and under the criteria established
by the acquisition policy.
on these slides. So the ask tonight is to move to approve the deaccession of
21 city-owned artworks from the Public Art Collection and we defined this
already. So staff is recommending these and it was also additionally reviewed
by the Public Art Committee that is comprised of two Arts Commissioners. The
criteria for deaccessioning artwork, we've listed it here, the work is damaged or deteriorated or
requires conservation treatment or long-term care that is more costly than the value of the work
itself or the work is not suitable for office or common spaces and is currently utilizing storage
space that is required for other needs and the city itself is not a collecting institution like a
museum and as a responsible practice should not retain artwork that it does
not intend to display. It would better be served out there in the world where
people could see it. So removing this artwork from the collection enables
staff to refine and strengthen and ensure it remains relevant, the collection
remains relevant, and is aligned with Citi's objectives. So the artwork
presented tonight for due session. All of it is currently in storage with the exception of one
piece you've probably reviewed in your packets. It's the Maska, the outdoor three-dimensional
mural which is currently installed on the wall at Assembly Hall and you'll see that unfortunately
it wasn't really intended to be a long-term work of art in that it is this this mural that had
changed locations and it's endured many years of exposure to the elements and it's falling
apart unfortunately.
So you will find a complete list of artwork in your packets.
So following procedures outlined by the deaccessioning policy, which is attachment C in your packets,
All 21 works cited in the list and in attachments A and B were reviewed and approved by the
public art committee, staff, and the city attorney.
And they're all in favor of deaccessioning the work.
And I don't know if you guys have any questions about any of the pieces that were there or
if you want to see any of the artworks.
We have a PDF here.
if you don't have a printout of it.
I think that Monica can put the PDF up
and we can go through each individual piece.
The public art committee did come
and see all of the works in person and review them all.
But if you have any questions, let me know,
or any comments.
So this is the one piece that is currently
on display in the public.
And this photo is a great photo, and it's a great piece.
It's just that it's beyond repair at this point.
Do you want us to go through them all?
Do you have questions?
Are we comfortable, and we've seen them in the package
before the meeting?
I don't mind go.
Like, we don't necessarily have to go through every one of them,
but it would be nice to have some visual.
Just as a refresher, I have seen them.
I'm OK with that, but we don't necessarily
to go through every single piece. So you'll see in the table that we had drafted there
we kind of listed all of the criteria and then we labeled it ABC and then you can see which pieces
meet which criteria. So the first two the MASCA and then this David, Ruth. Unfortunately this is
glass that has been broken so these are the two pieces that just meet the broken beyond repair
criteria, and the rest of them, they're just in storage with no real place to display.
Mariah, could you talk a bit about what happens to the pieces when they leave us or how they
leave us?
Sure.
Yeah, so the city, we ensure that we follow the Visual Artist Rights Act, which is an
act that was passed by Congress that it ensures that artists are made aware that their artwork
is being DSS'ed from a collection in the case that the artist is no longer living.
We would contact the artist's estate or the person or people that gifted the work to
the city.
So we definitely do our due diligence to ensure that people are aware we're not just taking
the artwork out of the collection and we definitely adhere to those strict guidelines and we have
that formally outlined in our deaccession policy, which is also in the packet, the guidelines
that we follow.
We just, we make sure that we're doing everything properly.
I know from the packet that one of the places these potentially will end up is sort of as
an auction is another option.
Can you talk a little bit about what that looks like?
So if the artwork does go to auction, any proceeds from that sale would then go directly
toward the Public Art Fund, which, as you probably are aware, the money in that fund
can only be used to maintain the work in the current collection or to acquire new artwork
for the collection.
So it would definitely go toward enhancing our collection, whether through maintenance
and care or new acquisitions.
And is that something that our commissioners are involved in or is that done by who handles
that kind of stuff?
The auction itself.
So that would be something staff would do.
Staff would do that and as commissioners and as city employees none of us would be eligible
to purchase or bid on that artwork.
And then, of course, with regards to the Public Art Fund, that is something that we would
always bring any time we're going over our budget, you know, which we'll do every two
years.
We bring all potential projections for budget to the Commission for review and approval.
Other questions, comments?
Well, seeing no public comments, I would ask if we have a motion to approve the de-accession.
I move that we approve the deaccession of all the art that has been presented in the packet today.
I second the motion.
Thank you. We have a first and a second.
Commissioner Parraman and Valenzuela are absent.
Commissioner Dresser?
Aye.
Commissioner Kerlin?
Yes.
Vice Chair Testefay?
Aye.
And Chair McNally?
Aye.
Passes. Thank you.
Thanks, Mariah.
Next on the agenda is report on projects.
And at this time, I'd invite staff to provide any updates.
And is that you as well, Mariah?
I'm just waiting for the PowerPoint
because this is the fun part
where we actually have things to show you.
All right, so we have recently exception.
So speaking of acquisitions,
and this is the one of the most recent acquisitions.
It's a donation from the family of Ed and Gwen Regalia.
And this painting, Emerging Towers,
created by the artist Jack Laycox,
is currently now installed
in the second floor of the library.
So we found a wall for it, which is great.
Well, you've got all three pieces in that one picture.
I know.
Yeah, it's cool.
It shows off some more of the artwork.
So that has been assessed into the collection
and up for all to enjoy.
And we have a wall label up there
that lists the family and details about the art
so that people can see.
Next. We just recently had this work restored. This is on Locust Street outside the garage
near the Lesher Center. And this is a Dan Dyke sculpture entitled Wings, so it's an abstract
interpretation of a bird. Jill, I'm sure, knows much more about it, given that she's the
public art walking tour docent. Well, he was one of my neighbors until he moved away,
I don't know that much more about it, but I always love knowing that one of my neighbors art pieces was downtown and there was a
piece on the street for a long time, too.
It looks great. My question here is, if I could interject,
my walkers noticed that the planting area had been cleaned up this weekend, but I didn't notice I was busy walking by it.
Have we thought about taking, getting all the plants out of there and starting over with maybe some grasses?
It has been a discussion.
Oddly enough so the city owns the artwork the city does not take care of that is not within our
jurisdiction of plants, so it's a conversation with the business owners there
but we would love to also see it have some different plants that are maybe a little lower because
Correct there were some plants that were growing up into the artwork. It's bronze
So it's a sturdy material, but it's also prone to scratching and we did have it completely
It was a very thorough. So you can see some before and afters here, which I thought you might think find interesting
so it underwent a really deep cleaning the weep holes were really full of accumulated debris and leaves and
so that was all drained and the leaves came out of it and
then it received multiple layers of wax, so
It's now on a cycle for maintenance and care to ensure, I think, that it hadn't been maintained
in quite some time.
So I think that this was a bigger undertaking than it should be going forward if we have
it on a more regular rotation for maintenance.
It looks great.
But yeah, it does look really, really nice.
And it was really fun watching the conservationists out here doing their work.
if you happen to have walked by.
It took them a few days to do all of the work.
Next, we have this work out at Heather Farm Park,
which is Strada by Bruce Johnson.
And back in the fall,
we'd had this work completely restored
and also the bronze, or I'm sorry, not bronze,
it's copper cleaned and the wood was oiled.
so at the time they recommended that we have a fumigation pest control company come out because
there were some little creatures detected in the wood and so in order to preserve the work
with the hopes that it remains intact and around for years to come we had a professional fumigator
come out and tent the work, and our maintenance team out there was really helpful in putting
up the fence to ensure nobody interrupted or got into the work while it was tented.
And now it is like new.
So we're happy to report that.
It looks really great if you haven't seen it.
We recommend taking a look at it.
And then we also noticed it hadn't had a plaque somehow.
And so now it also has a plaque out there identifying the work and that looks really
good too.
And last but not least, the mural grant that everybody on the commission approved not too
long ago.
Well it feels like a long process because I believe that Trent ABG Art Group was out
here at the October meeting last year and finally they have just been working the first
couple of weeks in July and it's kind of funny because at first it was, you know, cold and
freezing and windy and then you know really hot and that is part of the life
of a public art muralist working in the outdoor elements but they've had a great
team. They worked pretty quickly to get these murals all up and they have a
mural celebration planned for next Thursday July 30th the time is still to
be determined, but I just wanted to give you a heads up if you're around on that date it would be
great to have have you there but here's just an image of all of the artists at work so there's
four different murals that were realized um in in part due to the funding they received through
the mural grant which you all approved so thank you yeah and they look really great they are
actually they've been completed, but I don't have pictures of them yet. So any
questions or comments about? Will we get a heads up sooner than later about when
the date is? Not the date, but the time for the first time? Yes, as soon as I know and I'm
anticipating I should know by tomorrow. I was hoping I would know today. It's all
been a, this has been a really interesting project because there are so
many, it was a big undertaking with all of the different artists involved and
and then all of the different business owners involved.
And so there's just been a lot of cooks in the kitchen
and communication and then waiting
and people are on vacation.
And so, you know, waiting.
But I will certainly send out,
we're working right now,
our marketing team is actually working right now
on just designing a graphic to send out
through social media and the email list.
We won't print an invitation.
We don't have time for that.
So we'll just send that out and you will certainly
get an invitation for that.
And just to clarify, we're just one of many funders.
So it's actually not a city event.
The Downtown Association is taking the lead
as kind of a representative for all of Downtown
and the business owners.
And then it's a collaborative effort
of all of the partners that were involved.
So that's why we don't have all the information.
It's not our event, but we're happy to participate
support our artists that we help fund. And it's the inaugural time we've ever done a project like
this, realized, you know, a grant to create art and then so many parties, like you said. So it's
just a new experience for us all. Other questions? Do you have an update on the Aquatic Center murals?
So you mean the one that we had discussed the going inside? Has anything happened since we last
So due to the fact that the Aquatic Center
will probably not be fully completed until I would say
2028, I think is the latest I've heard, spring of 2028,
we certainly haven't forgotten about it.
We were just discussing that for budget projections
that we will be ensuring we have the funds,
you know, using funds from the Public Art Fund
to do an interior mural.
That would be one.
And if you're referring to the outside,
when we had initially issued the RFQ and then the RFP
for the public art that is being done in conjunction
with the building of the new facility,
one of the artists who will no longer be moving forward
with the project had proposed the outdoor mosaic mural,
if that's what you're referring to,
on that very long exterior wall at the front entrance
to the new facility.
That is going on to the RFP that we will be reissuing
per, I believe it was maybe the January
Arts Commission meeting where the commission
had voted to reissue that RFP to the top qualifiers,
which was not just the five, the 10, but really it's eight.
artists and artist groups so we will be and it was at that time determined that
site one the primary site for art at Heather Farm Park is going to be on that
corner where North San Carlos meets Heather Drive and so that corner there
so we have those measurements we're actually almost done writing the RFP and
And then the alternative or additional site is the long exterior wall to the changing
room of the new facility.
So we've been in close communication with the architect, and just to get all of those
measurements make sure that we have everything we need for the RFP, but that is a secondary
in an optional site per the Commission's voting back in January.
Anything else?
Do you have more to talk about, Mariah?
I don't think so.
I'll ask a question.
When do you think the RFP will be out for those eight artists?
The goal would be to have it out by maybe by fall, end of summer.
pretty much drafted, ready to go. The likely will know more at the October
meeting. Yeah. And I know we had an art commissioner selected for that, the arts
panel. Have others been selected to sit on that art selection panel yet? Well we
had a pre-approved list from when we first had brought this to the
commission so we would be going to that list. Yeah.
Next on the agenda is staff announcements and brief reports on activities.
Sure I have a couple items to share so one as you know we concluded Jagged
Little Pill, highly successful. I hope everyone got out to see it was so good
but really great feedback, great attendance, really excited with that show
and drum roll. We've made the season announcement for Center Up for the
coming year so we will be producing a glass menagerie, Dracula, a comedy of
terrors, a Christmas carol, you've cordially been invited to the end of the
world, and Batboy the musical. So really excited for a fun season that's done a
a great job with programming.
Summer Sounds, we've got two concerts
that have passed already and our last one's
coming up on July 30th.
That'll be Alpha Rhythm Kings,
5.30 at the Plaza in front of the Lesher.
And then our annual juried exhibition,
Kaleidoscope, Evolving Reflections of Californias
at the Bedford through September 13th.
So lots of exciting stuff in the world of arts.
questions, comments? So I'll call on commissioners then for any announcements and brief reports
on activities.
I always have lots to say and we have a lot of time. I just finished, I think, doing four
or five public art walking tours in a row. The only one I haven't done is art walk number
one, but from the library tour up till Saturday, which is number four, we've had a busy spring
in summer of walking tours. The only tour that was not wonky but the numbers were a little strange
was our pride tour in June because there were some maybe issues with ticket ordering. We think
somebody ordered 10 tickets and that's what I was going to ask you about, Mariah, if we ever found
out what happened with a person ordering 10 tickets and being a no-show. So yeah, the numbers were very
Interesting for that June tour. Yes, so I've spoken with Jeremiah who's in charge of ticketing and he said that
unfortunately
Yes, it looks like sometimes this had they've caught previous
actions like this when people over buy tickets and he thinks it's almost like a
scalper or something like this
And so going forward we've changed that so that we've limited the amount of tickets that can be sold per household
to mitigate that happening. And then of course we are still keeping a handful of
tickets that are available first-come first-serve for the morning of. So we're
hoping that will help and then also we did receive your helpful feedback. You
know we'll be sending out reminder emails confirmation emails. So I think
that all the box office staff will be going through ticket sales ahead of time
as general practice not just for our public art walking tours but for all of
our events to ensure that we don't have no shows because you're right they've
been so popular and it's really great and then it's really unfortunate when
these tickets spots get taken and then people don't show up because they they
think it's totally filled to capacity so we're trying to get around that because
we really do want to ensure that everybody can participate these tours are
awesome and so thank you for leading them.
My only other suggestion that might be doable is that we don't start selling
tickets for each tour and maybe until three weeks before the tour or toward
the tour just finished so we just finished tour four maybe now we would
open it up to sell tour one because I know tour four was sold out two months
ago and I think people buy tickets to things whether it's free or donation or
whatever, for something like this, which is a pretty low entry price, and they forget,
or something else comes up like, oh well, I only gave them $10, no big deal if I don't
show up.
But maybe if the ticket sales opened closer to the date, people would be more invested
in the date that they've selected.
That would be my only addition that I've thought of, that ticket sales are, when I see it sold
out two months in advance, I know, okay, how many no shows are we going to have?
I think the walkers really enjoyed being able to walk up and buy tickets.
I had a chat with my group this week, and I'd say half of them were walk-ups to buy
tickets at the last minute, and they say they get very concerned when they see it sold out.
I'm like, don't worry about it, just get here at quarter to ten, there will be tickets available
for you.
Yeah, so we had a lot of walk-ups this weekend, and I think Lisa, your wife, had quite a few
walk-ups that came to her as my group left first.
I'm starting to take my group, my group's back to Windfins on the Neiman Marcus building,
and that's been a big hit the past two tours, because people don't even know that that exists.
I asked my group after my tour what their favorite piece of art was.
I warned them I was going to do this.
And every person had a different piece of art that they saw, which I thought, okay,
that's a successful walking tour if every person has picked something different.
So I really see the momentum picking up.
I asked people where they're from.
A lot of people come from outside of Walnut Creek.
For most people, this was their first tour also,
which I found very interesting.
I only had one person who was a repeat person
from any other tour.
So I think the reach from marketing, again,
I always think the marketing person at the Leisure Center,
they're doing such an amazing job on these tours.
The marketing is reaching a lot of people.
And people are loving the Saturday morning.
let's go for a walk.
We went to almost 1130.
That's great.
I think your wife did as well.
It was a long tour.
Other than that, I would just have,
there's some great shows in San Francisco at the museums.
MoMA's got a phenomenal re-imagining the Fisher Collection
on the 10-year anniversary of the Fisher Collection
opening at SF MoMA, and it's three floors
of really well done and curated pieces
that I really recommend the art commissioners
and the public go see.
Yeah, go see some art in San Francisco
and all along the waterfront,
there's some phenomenal sculptures that have been put up.
San Francisco's been a great destination
to go see some more public art
because there are not that many cities
that have a better public art collection than we do.
Just saying.
But San Francisco's up there.
Thank you, that's what I'm up to.
Thank you.
Do you think, Sherry, that...
I have not seen the Bedford Gallery's show, the new one,
the Caliscope, I think, the Cali,
yeah, I can never say that word out loud.
I'm looking forward to it,
but I just wanted to promote that
in case a few folks are out there who are traveling
or summer is a tough schedule,
so get out there and see it when you can.
I plan to.
Anything else?
I've got a couple of things.
The first one was about Rossmoor.
Rossmore is a wonderful place in a whole lot of ways,
one of the best being that they published
the biggest newspaper in Contra Costa County.
And it's a good read.
And last week on page one was a fascinating article
about the ceramic club at Rossmore building a mural.
It's a big one.
It's five, three, five and a half square foot panels
of ceramic tiles, and it's going to be on the wall of their studio in Rossmore.
But what's even more interesting than the mural itself is the process
by which they're doing it, they're doing the whole thing themselves,
even raising the money by creating tiles to a little border of the mural,
and you can buy those tiles, you can buy bricks going up to it.
And it's just a whole community effort.
They're promoting it to organizations
and clubs inside Rossmore.
They're partnering with professional artists
to sort of lead the project.
They're partnering with UC Davis Art Department
who's very experienced in murals,
another great mural city, by the way,
or public art city.
And they expect to be finished in the fall.
And it just strikes me as so organic.
It's like a project being done by a medieval village,
and for me, it just sort of enriches the whole concept
of a site-specific work, a site-specific
on a whole bunch of levels.
But anyway, if you get a chance, read the cross-border news.
There's a lot of good stuff in there.
And then secondly, with this meeting, Sasha Perlman's term
as Student Commissioner ends, she couldn't be here tonight
because of a family issue.
But I want to acknowledge your service over the past year
and thank her for her contribution.
She's going off to college in the fall.
And I hope that the knowledge and insights that she might
have gained by participating with us in local government
will serve her well at university and beyond.
So Sasha, by your con dias.
And unless there's anything else?
Sherry?
Yes, I would like to report that I attended the opening of Kaleidoscope, and it was fantastic.
The attendance was really great. A lot of people. It was very energetic.
I love the pieces that the Bedford Gallery chose to put there. I think it's very,
well, it displays a lot of regional artists, one of whom I met that very day at the
ceramics and glass exhibition in Palo Alto that same weekend so that was wonderful to have that
connection and also to see the exhibit in Palo Alto and speaking of public art I think Palo Alto
does a wonderful job with their public artwork particularly near their library and open community
garden space if anyone has a chance to see that it's inspiring. And then on another note if I may
I wanted to open it up that I'm going to be traveling across the country by road in the
next month or two and if anyone has ideas about public art they would like me to stop
and see and maybe photograph or things of that nature, I'd be happy to do that in the
role of Arts Commissioner in Walnut Creek in case there's any artists or works that
you're interested in seeing up close. So I just put that out there. If that's the
case, please email me or text me and let me know where the piece is or where the
where you think the piece is or where a body of work may be and I'll be very
happy to check it out on our behalf. Thank you. And that's all I have. Anything else?
Oh, I wanted to say we have a, I'm the liaison for the community art gallery in the main
library in the downtown and we have a wonderful artist showcasing right now and all of her
pieces are, the theme is essential workers and we have one last week, I believe Friday
is the de-installation for her and then we'll have another new artist installing the Monday,
the following Monday. So we'll, these are rotating artists and I really recommend taking
time for folks who come to the library or if you're in the vicinity, just take a look.
They usually tend to have around 20 pieces, just amazing solo shows. They, this is also
an opportunity for them to have a reception, and they really put a lot of effort to this.
And I love for our community to support them, and the Bedford Gallery does a great job highlighting
them in their social media stories, but I think just a little love and going in there
and saying, you know, just taking a look, they usually leave their information behind
as well for either you know people who are interested in commissioning or purchasing.
So take a look we have rotating art all the time and it's a beautiful space.
Ray, I forgot to mention, do you want to mention the new Bloomberg platform that we're using?
Thank you.
Yes, this is an exciting thing that I didn't think to mention so many things.
So we have been in the process of transitioning from our one walking tour platform that we're
currently on, which was a dial-up walking tour for self-guided tours, if you're familiar.
Now you can find us online.
There's an app called Bloomberg Connects and it's great because we're using it for the
walking tours to do continued self-guided tours, but additionally we have been able to add
the gallery up there. So now all exhibits are up there and it really gives us an
international audience. It's great because you can set this app to know
where you are so if you pull it up it will probably pull up Bedford Gallery
right away but you can also set it if you're gonna be traveling to California
or traveling to the East Bay and you know coming from some other place and so
So we've had great staff helping and it's not rocket science, but it's been a tedious
process to make sure that everything is photographed, that we record and talk about everything,
and then put it up on the site.
And it's a great source for gaining insight into kind of behind the scenes in the background
of each piece.
we will be continuing for the gallery side to put up the shows online and then it will be also an
archival tool to be able to look up past exhibits. So yeah, it's a really great interactive app.
Hope I didn't forget anything. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Anything else? We are adjourned.