Good afternoon everyone. At this time I would like to call to order the November 20th,
2025 regular board meeting of the North County Transit San Diego Railroad. Before we begin,
members of the public who may be viewing the meeting on the district's YouTube page,
please note that in order to make a public comment during the meeting, you must connect
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by sending an email containing your name or phone number and the agenda item on which you wish to
to speak, to clerk at NCTD.org. Sue Hill Rodriguez, clerk of the board, will take a verbal roll
call for attendance. Thank you, Vice Chair Sonella. Vice Chair Sonella? Here. Board member Martinez? Here. Board
alternate Chen? Present. Board member O'Hara? Present. Board member Garcia? Board member Joyce?
President. Board member Desmond. Here. Board member Edson. Present. Board member Karina. Present.
And board alternate Coleman. This completes the roll call with board member Garcia and board
alternate Coleman absent. Great thank you and I'd like to ask our special guest today
Board Member Shin to lead us in the pledge.
Please rise face the pledge.
Right hand over your mark, ready, begin.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Sue Hill, will you please provide us a safety brief and a review of the evacuation procedures?
Yes. In case of an emergency, I will dial 911.
in case of an evacuation, please take the stairs.
Do not use the elevator.
Once cleared of the building, do not reenter
unless cleared to do so by emergency personnel.
There are fire extinguishers and first aid kits
on each floor of this building.
There is a portable defibrillator
on the first and third floor,
and staff on hand trained on CPR procedures if needed.
This concludes my safety brief.
Thank you, Cecelia.
Are there any changes, Cecelia, to the agenda today?
No, Vice Chair.
All right, so do we have any general public comments today?
We do have one in-person public comment
on general public comment, Ms. Silvia Sanchez,
and I will be interpreting,
translating for her with your permission.
Great, thank you for doing that.
If you could just put it on the microphone for her.
Do you have any questions?
Okay.
Buenos dar desatodos.
Aoyo benga tocara el tema de tres baces
That we do not have much time to do with our various groups.
We do not have any problems with dispatch.
Sí, mepermita, por favor?
She's here to address a few comments
that have affected her service where she lives.
¡Tres sero cuatro!
¡Tres hacienta yo acho!
Y el sei sero cuatro, sonar rutas que yo uso
y mas compañeras, no pudieron assistir por los orarios.
¡E es trabajar!
Mepermita, sí puede por favor?
Okay, this is related to routes 304, 388 and 604.
She is accompanied,
she's not accompanied by other people
that ride that route today,
but they are also, she's speaking on their behalfs.
Okay.
She's here to talk about specifically 304 route.
year's schedule that goes to Encinitas, and connects to Agonde Conecta, El Tres El Guatra.
Saxony Road, Palo Mar College.
Asa, to Palo Mar College Road.
Aura, nos mandaros por la Santa Fe Drive, no conecta con el Esprinte yo bibo en Ballet
Center.
Okay, now it connects to Santa Fe, and she lives in Ballet Center, and there's no way
for her to use that route.
She wasn't able to come previously to talk about it, but she is here today to talk about this.
Is there any way to bring back this previous schedule so she can get to Saxony Road and
to complete her work, get to work on time.
So,
she was able to connect to the 440 sprinter previously, and now she cannot do that.
And if she took the 388 route.
So when there's translation, I'm OK with doubling the time because it takes tens of
months.
Yeah, I just stopped.
Thank you.
Thank you, vice chair.
She says that she is now spending money on Ubers because she has a two hour time difference
from when the last sprinto connectivity allows her to get home.
Now she's spending two hours waiting for the next train.
She wishes that we think of the riders
that use the routes first before making these changes
that are impacting them.
She believes that we get funds from the government and she pays her monthly pass on time so she wishes there's something we can do.
so
She believes that there's a dispatching error and it should be looked into because now her morning commute is also
she's getting to work late because of the morning commute connectivity issues
and also the evening commute
She has made several calls to customer service, also her friends that take the same route,
and she just wishes that Sex Team Road was added as a stop.
It was last year's service route.
It was last year's service route.
Route 604 is an important route as well that she gets used to get to work.
please do not touch that one.
Aora el tres a cienta y ocho
Sí puede por favor con con it's gonna be the aca bar sus con inters por favor, okay, gracias
Okay, yeah, I'll give a la la la in la porta para con sus
Per winters I know mucha chaya tres or at least because I love I use our consequences. Okay, okay, mucha gracias. Okay. Thank you for coming
Thank you. So any other any other speakers today?
Yes, we do. We have another person here today, Mark Stevens. You can please come
up to the podium. You can turn on your mic and you have three minutes, Mr.
Stevens. Thank you. Good afternoon and thank you for your service and the
opportunity to make some brief comments about the proposed coaster train
platform in downtown San Diego. I'm a certified planner with over 40 years of
experience and have been a downtown resident for over 24 years.
Upon learning about this proposed project a few years ago,
I attained that limited information could be accessed on the website.
And contacted staff by phone.
I've talked to at least a dozen people.
I've filed two complaints and still been unable to find any reliable
representative plans that show what's gonna be where other than color renderings.
Well, it may provide some potential benefits.
It would have major adverse impacts during construction and be up to 22 trains a day
added for an area that's already covered by trolley service.
So you can just get off the coaster of the surf liner and take the trolley or even just
walk if you're going to the convention center or Petco Park or wherever you're going to.
And your website, which hasn't been updated for this project in well over a year, indicates
the construction is to commence in fall 2025 and be operational in early 2027.
And keep in mind, this has been in process for over 10 years.
There's been zero public outreach in terms of identifying what the impacts might be.
And again, no outreach at all to local communities.
And the NCCD representatives recently interviewed in television and stated the training platform
should be operational by 2027.
And again, I was assured that before any construction started, there would be notification of the
affected communities along the route.
And it's over $30 million.
And again, there's been no public outreach, no to scale plans.
A person I know made a public records request, got an 8 1 by 11 drawing, and it didn't even
know the difference between the Martin Luther King Jr. Promenade and the Bayshore Bikeway,
which are both critical public facilities that need to be protected and preserved.
And if it has to proceed, it would make a whole lot more sense to put it on the east
side of Fifth Avenue rather than the west side because it would be further from the
affected residences and it would, there's tons more right away on the east side and
it's right next to Petco Park which is by far the major attraction as well as a great
separate across the convention center.
Thank you Mr. Stevens.
Your time is up.
Okay.
I'd be happy to respond to any questions.
Thank you.
No more further public speakers on general public comment.
Thank you, sir, for coming today.
Will somebody from staff be following up?
OK, no other comments?
So that'll end our public comment period.
So before we proceed, I have a couple of quick protocol items
to share.
First, I will ask board members to please hold your comments
and questions until after each agenda item has been presented.
And second, when the time comes for board member questions
comments please raise your hand and wait until you are called upon to speak. Third please turn
on and speak into your microphone when it is your turn to speak this will ensure that your
comments are heard for those listening to the meeting online. And lastly when it's time to
vote Suhil will call a verbal vote for us. Okay the first item we have today is the approval of
the minutes is there a motion to approve the minutes from the last meeting? Motion to approve.
you got it now you beat me either way i'll second you good teamwork okay we have a motion
and a second so hill can you please uh give us a roll call yes okay all in favor say aye
aye any opposed any abstain on the motion of board member o'harris seconded by board member
contreras to approve the minutes for the regular board meeting on october 23rd 2025 motion passes
Board Member Garcia, absent. Thank you. Moving on to our consent items, we have five items on the
consent calendar today. Suhil, have any members of the public registered to speak on the consent
or requested that any of the consent items be pulled? No, Vice Chair. Okay, great. At this time,
is there any board members that have any questions about the consent calendar? I want to pull anything.
Okay, second. We have a motion and a second. Sir Hill, will you please call a verbal vote?
Yes. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Any abstain. On the motion, a board member
does been seconded by board member Edson to approve consent items one through five.
Motion passes with board member Garcia absent. Okay. And our last item, item number six
is on other business. In September, the board approved staff's recommendation
to set a public hearing for today to consider modifications to weekend breeze service
and propose changes to the Sorrento Valley Coaster Connection service. Today we'll conduct a public
hearing and our CEO Sean Donahue and Mary Dover Chief of Staff and Loni Cholico Voa and thank you
Thank you for spelling that out for me.
Manager of service planning will present this item.
Sean, Mary and Moni, you have our attention.
Yeah, thanks.
I just would note that we had a pretty good conversation
about this last month.
We're gonna recap and kind of go over some of the feedback
we received from the public.
I think as we have with other service changes
that we've asked for, we are looking at at least on the 325
and you'll hear the group talk about it a little bit here.
Some alternatives that we may try to put into play
to help a few customers that would benefit
from having the Saturday service
on one small portion of the 325
that we may be able to deviate from the 315.
And I'll let our crew take it away.
Thank you, Sean.
Good afternoon, Vice Chair, members of the board.
So at the board meeting on September 18th,
the board voted to hold a public hearing today
on staff's recommendation to standardize
our weekend reschedules and proposed modifications
to the Coaster Connection Service in Serrano Valley.
Over the past two months,
we've conducted public outreach at stations and virtually
and received input from the public on the proposed changes.
We brought these recommendations to the board
with the intention to rebalance NCDD's resources
to focus on areas within our service area.
The first part of this public hearing
were proposed changes to the Coaster Connection Service
based on ridership patterns
and some operational challenges
we were seeing with the service. So just to put it into context as we mentioned in the
September board meeting, NCTD assumed operation of the service when MTS discontinued it. And
just to clarify, this is not in NCTD's service area. So the existing service consists of
five routes. They relatively mirror what MTS was operating prior. However, we did combine
a route and we added a new route, the 471. As we noted in the September board meeting,
The two routes with the highest ridership are the 473,
which connects businesses that are smaller in the area,
those businesses that may not be able to provide
their own employer-sponsored shuttle
to the Surrena Valley Coaster Station,
and then the 479, which connects the UTC business
and commercial area, and UC San Diego.
So based on ridership patterns,
NCTD is proposing to shift the service
to just two routes, the 473 and 479.
This ensures that NCTD is maintaining connectivity
to the Coaster Station for the areas
that demonstrated the greatest need.
Additionally, NCTD received and recently expanded
its partnership with UCSD for the U-Pass.
UCSD students pay an additional fee
to receive a pass for transit services,
which includes Coaster and Coaster Connection.
NCTD is estimated to receive approximately $500,000
from this partnership with UCSD,
which is similar to the cost of operating this route.
Moving to two routes instead of five will also reduce operational challenges that we see with providing the service outside of our service area.
Each of these routes has significant dead-head time. That just means that it's the operators report to our
Oceanside yard and then they all have to drive the vehicles down to begin the service.
So it's a lot of time on the road where the operator is not carrying any passengers.
So during the public hearing period, NCTD conducted a Title VI analysis on the proposed changes
to identify any unintended impacts to communities surrounding these routes.
Title VI compares the demographics of communities surrounding these routes
with NCTD's service area as a whole. In the case of this service, the analysis is
sort of apples to oranges because we're comparing an area that's outside of our
service area and the community served with our service area. So it's not a
typical Title VI analysis. And then Yoni will walk you through the results of the
Thank you. As Mary mentioned, because these routes are out of our service area
this is a non-standard comparison, but using our typical Title VI methodology
we did find that FLEX 471 did have a disparate impact because this route
serves a higher proportion of minority population than our service area average
and that FLEX 478 had a disproportionate burden because this route serves a
higher proportion of low-income populations than our service area
average. Title 6 does require NCTD to attempt to mitigate any this impact with
any alternatives, but because this area this service is outside of our service
area and due to the fiscal constraints NCTD is not proposing any alternative
services in this area. Okay thank you Yoni. So the second piece of this service this
public hearing was proposed changes to the weekend schedules for four breeze
routes with the goal of standardizing our schedules to just have one weekday
and one weekend schedule just to make it a little easier for our customers to
comprehend the schedule. As we highlighted in the September board
meeting staff's recommendation is to add Sunday service to the 304 and 318 and
reduce and eliminate Saturday service on 325 and 347. As you can see the 325 and
347 have comparatively lower ridership than the 304 and 318 on Saturdays. We
expect the shift in this resources to add service on the 304 and the 318 to
garner some ridership benefits on Sunday service. We see the population that
rides the 304 and 318 using it on weekends where we don't necessarily see
a high propensity of the riders on the 325 and 347 that use it on the weekend.
So as you can see, the 347 is entirely covered by the NCTD Plus San Marcos
service area, which provides riders on Saturdays and Sundays with an expanded
service within the City of San Marcos. Almost the entirety of the 325 is
covered by the 315. We did receive public feedback from seniors and some folks
with mobility challenges that lived in the areas not covered by the 315. You can
see in like the downtown core of Carlsbad, it kind of juts out to Tamarack where the
315 just stays on Carlsbad Village. And those seniors demonstrated that a reduction in 325
service would significantly limit their transportation. So NCTD took this public feedback from the
seniors in the area and reviewed some potential tweaks to the 315 service just to see if we
could close that gap. We did find that deviating the 315 for just three round trips on Saturdays
and Sundays was feasible and it would result in a relatively low cost to the district.
If the Board approves the elimination of 325 Saturday service, NCDD will make the deviation
of the 315 for those three round trips and that will be effective in February.
And then similarly we did a Title VI analysis for these changes as well and Yoni will talk
about the results.
So for the weekend standardization, there were two disparate impacts found, one of which
is adding service to the 304.
As this area serves a lower minority population
than our service area average.
However, the Title VI methodology
utilizes demographic populations
that are spatially adjacent to the route.
But the data from the 2023 SANDAG onboard survey
found that actually 80.5% of Breeze 304 riders
identified as a minority,
meaning that the folks that actually use the 304
We're 30% more minority proportional than our service area average, so we're not proposing
an alternative to this disparate impact.
We also found that there was both a disparate impact and disproportionate burden for the
removal of Saturday service to the breeze 347, seen here as well.
However, we are proposing that the existing NCTD Plus service act as an alternate to the
service offering a greater weekend span of service for passengers.
We also conducted a robust level of outreach to collect feedback on the proposed changes,
including in-person outreach to meet passengers where they are.
We conducted in-person outreach at Palomar College Transit Center, Carlsbad Village,
as well as Sorrenta Valley Station during peak periods in the morning and afternoon.
For the first time, NCTD also conducted virtual open houses as a complement to the in-person
outreach, allowing riders more opportunity to share feedback and pose questions directly
with NCTD staff. The level of feedback we received as seen in the board packet
is a testament to our successful reach of the affected passengers. Okay so today
we are asking the board to conduct the public hearing and then approve the
following proposed service changes, elimination of flex routes, the
Coaster Connection Service 471, 472, and 478, the elimination of Saturday service
on Breeze 325 and 347 and the addition of Sunday service on Breeze 304 and 318.
The changes we're proposing to the Coaster Connection Service and the 347 and 325 will
provide us with the resources that we need to greater expand the service in our service
area for the populations that we see have the greatest need.
It also allows us to make our schedules easier to read by moving to one weekend schedule
as opposed to different schedules on Saturday and Sunday.
If the board does approve staff's recommendation
to eliminate Saturday service, just to reiterate,
on the 325, staff will deviate the 315 to cover those writers.
And with that, Yoni, I, Shaun, will take any questions.
Great. Thank you for the presentation.
So, do we have any public comments on this?
Yes, we do have two public speakers via Zoom.
I'll call the first speaker.
Glenn Leader?
Yes.
Okay, Glenn, you have three minutes.
Okay.
I was waiting to hear what would happen regarding the 325,
and I'd be interested to see how the 315 will be deviated
on Saturdays in order to incorporate the changeover
so that we on the 325 will still be covered.
That's it for right now.
Good, thank you.
we'll try to get you an answer right now.
Thank you.
Are you prepared for that?
We'll take the rest of public comment
and then we'll respond.
Right.
Okay, the next speaker is Jack Lee.
Hello, I'm referring to the coastal connection.
I think NTD is recommending eliminating 471, 472 and 478.
My recommendation is having actually keeping two buses
but having a coastal connection east and west
and combining all those routes
so that you don't have any passenger loss.
So 471, 472, 472 will cover the east side
of Soretto Valley, 478 and 471 will cover the west side.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Vice-chair, there's no further public comment.
Great, thank you.
So yes, so the 325 or the 315 deviation,
And so on those three selected round trips, the 315 will leave Carlsbad Village Station,
it'll make a right onto Jefferson, and then it'll make a left onto Chestnut, I believe,
and then a right onto Pio Pico, and then a left onto Tamarac.
It'll basically mirror the 325 service as it stands now in that downtown core.
So we had connected with the public commenter during the public comment period, and we identified
that his residence is on the existing 325 route.
So he will be covered by the deviation.
Thank you for that.
At this time, do we have any questions
or comments by any of my colleagues?
Yes, Board Member Ensign.
Thank you, Vice Chair.
I have a number of questions regarding the proposed changes
to the coaster connection.
So I have a question and some comments.
So my question is, UCSD students pay additional fee.
What's that amount per student?
Do you know?
I figured Yani knows everything.
So currently it's $4 per student.
This was increased this year from $1.31.
The reason for the increase was because students voted
to add flex and coaster service to their pass.
Okay.
I read all of the 78 comments.
78 is a huge number of comments.
I've never seen anything like that in my years at NCTD.
I understand the challenges of this route,
the fact that we don't have a yard down there
to house these vehicles, to maintain these vehicles,
to gas these vehicles, fuel these vehicles.
So there are some big hurdles here,
but we're still talking about maintaining
two of the routes, 473 and 479,
so those hurdles will continue to exist.
In reading these comments,
I saw many constructive suggestions
and I always like getting constructive feedback
in comments versus people just complaining
when they're saying, hey, have you considered doing this?
Like the gentleman, Mr. Lee, who said,
hey, could you consider doing one east and one west?
I'm not sure of the practicality of that,
based on the amount of time it would take
to run those routes,
but that's something that staff would know better.
I looked at the ridership,
and my concern is that the impact to ridership.
So 471 and 472 together combined are 8,360 riders.
And we're keeping Carroll Canyon, which is 8,347.
471 and 472 I think could be easily combined
without being too onerous as far as time goes
and maybe an examination of whether
the great fish, green fish, sorry, green flash,
green fish, sorry,
brewing corporation if we actually need to cover it
all the way up there.
So I don't know.
I think that there's some potential here.
You know, I also looked at, you know,
with kind of the same lens as Mr. Lee
of combining 478 and 479,
maybe at least twice a day, like during peak commute,
especially if those biotech workers, you know,
there were a lot of comments
that they were willing to pay more,
that they're willing to sit on the bus a little longer.
They seem to just want to be able to get to work still
and not have to drive cars
and be able to use public transportation as it should be
and continue to use the coaster.
So, I mean, I think this is core riders.
I realize it's not in our service area,
but I am hoping that there's more that we can do
to consider continuing to include
some of this coaster connection service?
Yeah, I would say we've looked at a few of those routes.
Some of the routes that exist that we look to eliminate,
there were organizations that already had shuttles
that they're running to and from the transfer station
who had conversations with us about subsidizing the service.
The real issue in adding more routes is twofold.
The distance from any location that we currently have
is essentially money that is lost for the short time
that we're in Sorento Valley.
Adding more routes requires us to have more people
and equipment, having people on the bus longer
is not an option for us because they won't make
the coaster schedule.
So if we're off by five minutes, they have to wait
55 more minutes for a train.
And that to us is not, that's not an acceptable item.
On the fair situation, we are bound by some of the regional fair structures, so there's
only so much that we can charge.
And personally for me, I do struggle with us putting service in an area that's not ours
that is prohibiting us from adding service to our area later.
To give you an example of the one route we elected to keep at Coaster Connection is
roughly $500,000 to $600,000 a year.
That's probably exactly how much money we would need, maybe a little more to have NTTD
plus on Oceanside.
So when we're having conversations about budget situation and some of those things, I absolutely
sympathize with that group.
But I think that their comments need to be directed at the transit agency that provides
service in that service area, and for whatever reason, they have elected to not put service
in area.
In fact, my understanding is that they are actively looking to reduce service they already
have there now.
area if you look at MTS's map is a complete ghost town all the way up to
Torrey Pines east except for UTC. Everything comes out of UTC and it runs
either straight west up the coast and stops. There is no MTS route that goes
anywhere near our Sorrento Valley Coaster Station and one of the
conversations that we've had recently with the group was should we not stop
the coaster at Sorrento Valley at all? And the reason that we do is because of
partnership that we have with UCSD. UCSD, when they came to the table they were adamant that
they wanted to find a solution for the students and that's why we continue to run the west side,
why we want to continue to run the west side coaster connection because UCSD has come to
the table where others have not and said we're willing to see an increase in the cost of the
pass and I know we've talked about this before but MTS's UCSD pass actually went down. They went to
they went to MTS and said we don't want to pay what we're paying you anymore and reduce the
the price they're paying for that pass. Our pass almost tripled and we added Coaster, we added
Flex, we added a lot of services to it and so I feel like we have an obligation to make sure that
we are connecting students to college. That's a huge deal for me. I'm not going to sit here and
tell you that I don't sympathize with those writers at all, I do, but we're looking at how
we can best set up our network for the future. And we're talking to cities,
Oceanside's perfect example of we'd like to talk about when we're going to start
NCTD+. And these are the sort of things that we need to start to talk about in
order to put services back in our grid, because we know that the revenues are
not going to increase significantly enough for us to be able to make
major service changes. I personally, and I think Mary and Yoni have joined me on
this. I have full intentions of having conversations with SANDAG and MTS about
why they're not servicing this area. Um, I would say I'm a little disappointed
that we weren't able to get some of the local businesses on board. I thought
that might be a decent offset, but for us to go to a biotech firm and say in
order for you to keep this route, we need $500,000. Pretty sure they're
gonna laugh us out of the building. Uh, you know, that's where I struggle with
I mean, we really did this as sort of a stopgap, and what we haven't seen is the ridership
that we really need to, to probably sustain portions of the service.
I would agree that there is a portion of it that does work.
There are sections of it that does work, but holistically it doesn't.
I think planning put together a good plan to try to salvage one section of those routes,
and I do appreciate that.
instruction to the planning team was to remove everything but UCSD and they
came back and said listen I think there's a piece here that we really need
to pay attention to can we at least run it through the end of the fiscal year or
go another year and just see what that that ridership yields and really those
areas are places where there aren't agencies that are running shuttles where
there aren't agencies that are sort of contributing to help people get to where
they need to go it's tough one for me I thousand percent sympathize with the
riders that are down there and my intention is to have a conversation with
Sandag and MTS to try to find a way to fund that. We've also wanted to have a
conversation with MTS about maybe finding a way to get into Sorento
Valley Station. We think that might help us out a little bit on some of their
peripheral routes. You know this is not like the end for us. We really want to
continue to try to help out our passengers because we know they're on
coaster. We know they're coming down on coaster. We do feel some sense of
responsibility to that. But I really want to make sure that we're taking
care of the cities in our service area that we've committed to that we're
gonna do N. C. T. D. Plus. We're gonna do some of these other things and one
coaster connection route would essentially have a direct impact on our
ability to put N. C. T. D. Plus in like Oceanside, for example. I mean, it's
almost a direct one for one. And so transactionally, yeah, it is what it is
from sitting in this chair standpoint,
I absolutely sympathize with those riders.
But I think the planning team has put together
a good plan and a stop gap for that.
And our next stop, regardless of what happens today,
will be to Sandag and MTS to have a conversation about,
walk us through why you're continuing to remove service
from that area other than UTC.
All our routes terminate at UTC,
and I'm not sure why they don't go to Srento Valley.
I'm not sure why they deviate around
all those other things,
but we're going to do some homework on that.
Well, especially when SANDX talks about the fact
that that is the biggest employment
center in San Diego County.
So if it's the greatest employment center
in San Diego County, why isn't there
public transportation available there?
There should be.
And I also think, gee, if we did a new 471472 combination,
Is it then a pilot project that we could maybe
get some funding for?
We're looking into that.
We're trying to find somebody to help us pay for all that.
Right, exactly.
Someone else's money.
That's always my goal.
I agree.
I call Supervisor Desmond's office.
He's saying, give me some money.
Thank you.
Thank you, Jim.
I didn't change my number.
Well, the other thing for me is as someone
who worked in Sorrento Valley and moved back to the states
from Asia living in Tokyo where it had great public transportation, right?
And I think, I'm going to buy a house in Solana Beach because I can walk to the train station
and get to work at Qualcomm in Sorrento Valley. Well, that was great. I could get to work
because Qualcomm had a shuttle. I could not get home from work because that shuttle ended at 430.
So, I think it's also almost a marketing campaign with writers. If you have a problem with us
changing this, talk to your employer so they'll support it, right? So, looking for opportunities
for that public-private, I think is important. And, you know, I mean, if we get the employees
engaged because the 78 comments I mean that's pretty pretty big deal for the
little bit of marketing I think that there's a possibility but I'm a hopeful
person thank you thank you board member Edson any other board members have any
comments or questions at this time looking at the 315 I guess the reason
was to simplify the routes and then adding a deviation on three trips a day. That seems
like it's more complicated. Why not do that trip for all the trips? And how are people
going to know about the three trips that deviate? So just kind of understanding that nuance.
nuance. Yeah, I would note that's not uncommon in our industry. I'd say we're
probably one of the few systems that doesn't have A or B routes related to
their route structure. Specifically on the 315 and in the 325 it has to do
with us going north to Camp Pendleton. So when we add in that loop it throws us
out of our time block where we would have to add in another operator
essentially to run the route. The deviation piece is essentially we just
mark them on the schedule that we sort of bold them and we say this will run a
deviated route and we put a picture of that on the schedule. I say initially
we're going to need to do some pretty significant outreach on that just to let
people know what the deal is but the goal is probably a little less on the
efficiency side on the weekends and more consistency of where like those routes
don't have weekend service now we want to want to get two weekend service
across the board some of them don't have Sunday service we're adding Sunday
service in and so now essentially with the 325 deviation they'll have three
trips on Saturday and three trips on Sunday which they currently don't have
and we're hopeful that that will garner some ridership. The reason that I think
we like the deviations from a planning perspective is long term it gets us
thinking about maybe what we just need is a route that runs Vista and maybe
what we need is a circulator that runs locally every half hour that connects
people to the one route on VISTA.
And so if we see a ridership increase on the deviation of the weekend service on that,
what it really probably gets us to is we just have a 315 in the future all week and we figure
out how to manage the lower end portion of it on the west.
It will require some outreach, but we do a few of those already and they're marked on
the schedule sort of accordingly bolded in that either this part of the route doesn't
run on this run or there's a deviation to it with a map that's attached. Yeah
I'll just add so we looked at right now the 325 runs for round trips on
Saturdays so we're proposing a modest reduction to just do three part of the
reason why we don't want to add the deviation on all of the routes because
we only are offering four right now so we can offer still provide some service
but still you know it is it is a little bit less than what we're currently
operating, we will do a significant push to make sure that current 315 riders
know that these three routes will be deviated. If somebody on accident gets on
one of the routes is deviated, it's about a 10-minute detour, so it won't, you know,
hopefully throw off their entire day, but we'll have materials on the buses,
we'll have materials at the transit centers, we'll do public outreach, we'll
update all of our written materials, we'll definitely make sure that the
public is aware that those three trips are deviated. Okay, and then we just watch
for ridership and how that's affected and whether or not it's an effective
deviation and come back later. And then I apologize, this is probably in the report,
when would the 318 start running on its Sunday services? February. Cool. All right.
Thank you. Thank you. Board Member Latres. I'm just to follow up on that. When
should the board expect to receive a review of the ridership trends yeah
you'll so the board receives the monthly transit operations performance report
that has general breeze ridership I think if the board would like to see a
specific report on these types of changes 100% okay yeah I think that would
be great I would say usually six months is kind of our buffer on that it gives
us a little bit of time to kind of monitor if we see increases in Sunday
ridership. Okay, fantastic. I look forward to seeing that. Question on
the 347, seeing that, you know, this is covered by NCTD Plus. So is the 347, is
that a daily thing or is that only on weekends or can you explain? It runs Monday
through Saturday. So Monday through Friday we have a schedule and then we
have a little bit of a adjusted schedule on Saturday that's just a little bit
I would say one of the things, and I remember talking about this in my interview,
there are routes out there that existed. Maybe the numbers don't always check out,
347 is exactly that route. The reason that that route is important is because
it connects Palomar College and UCSD. So those two things I think are important
when you're talking about the route.
I think known to us, there are portions of San Marcos
near the college campuses that do present
a little bit of an interesting Title VI analysis.
Saturday on the 347, just because I'm near there frequently,
there's not really a lot of ridership.
Weekdays, I think there's enough transfer
between the community college and Cal State San Marcos
that we see that good connectivity.
I think what students may appreciate a little more,
what we have heard through some of our travels is,
I'd like the ability to get all the way through the city.
And NCTD Plus essentially provides them that.
Folks that are tried and true fixed routers.
Yeah, I'm just curious because I'm looking at the numbers
for NCTD Plus, coming out of San Marcos,
they're lower than the VISTA numbers
and they're lower than the budgeted numbers.
And so I'm just, I'm curious about having a fixed route
in the service area and what that difference would be
if there wasn't a fixed route
and we were just having NCTD plus, I don't know is there?
I think, at least from my seat,
I would like to think that the ridership
would go up on NCTD plus because I think the 347
is limited in where you can go in San Marcos.
Yeah, I mean, it seems like a very small route.
And so that's that's just that's it begs the question,
if we were to eliminate in totality, the 347,
you know, what kind of budget
allocation could be put towards maybe another
NCTD plus shuttle in San Marcos?
And so I don't know if that analysis has been done, but I'm just curious.
You know, I mean, one of the reasons why that I was given
that we eliminated a route in VISTA was because it was redundant to NCTD Plus and here I am
looking at this 347 and I see that the redundancy is much higher.
So I do have to criticize that point and bring up this question.
And so I would just like an investigation on what that would look like, you know, if
we were to eliminate and increase NCTD Plus,
because I do want to see San Marcos get
to the budgeted amount and beyond.
So I don't know.
I guess that's something that we can talk about offline.
And I want to ensure that the students have
excellent service, right?
And potentially, there's just more conversations
that have to happen with the population that's utilizing
347 to understand if there are different changes
that NCTD Plus can do in the future
that make their experience even better
and we could shift some resources
because that's what we're talking.
I mean, when we're looking at elimination of routes,
it's always a budget conversation
and a shifting of resources.
So I don't wanna shy away from that.
But I do have to ask that question
because it just stands out to me a lot.
May. Sure. So we, the 347 is still a really effective tool in the city of San Marcos to move
people because it connects the colleges with the Sprinter stations. So what we see is the NCTD Plus
isn't the most effective tool to move students because there's often start fixed time. So it's
better to have a high capacity vehicle to move people. I think that's probably part of the
delineation between why the 323 situation,
sorry 334 situation is a little bit different than 347.
We still do see it as an effective tool.
We just don't see that ridership on Saturdays
because schools aren't in session.
So NCD plus will supplement the weekend service effectively
because we aren't moving the same amount of people
at one time, but the 347 is still the most effective
in our view on the weekdays to move people,
especially from the sprinter stations to the colleges.
We definitely looked at it because one of my concerns when I first came on board was
Just as a standalone route the metrics don't always check out sometimes I think
the difference with some of the routes we've had conversations about our this is directly related to to education and educational institutions and
What the students like is I know I can schedule my class at Palomar the bus will pick me up at this time
And I will be at Cal State San Marcos at X time
NCTD plus while great in most of our rides are booked under 15 minutes
there's a little bit of uncertainty there very much like an uber would be that
If I get out of here and that bus is on the other side of San Marcos
We may have a problem San Marcos in the NCTD a plus realm also serves a pretty big area
Which has been somewhat challenging for us and that's in I mean
This is why I'm asking the question because is there a shifting of resources that makes sense because we're seeing that in other areas
You know and so I'm just I'm curious. I'm not saying that I would support that
but I do
Need to ask the question just because it's right in front of me
So I you know and it's something that we can converse about more in the future
And I'm also wondering if we're hearing this directly from the students or if this is something
That we assume students are thinking so you know and I mean do we have a survey or anything?
With comments from students that are saying that we appreciate the fixed route
Versus having NCTD plus or is that merely an assumption or an educated guess?
We're probably due to get back out to campus to get them since we have I highly recommend that we move forward and
Actually get data based on that because I'd rather have data than assumptions
I'm not saying that the assumption is wrong, but it is an assumption
But thank you, I think that's important.
And the other thing that I want to call out too,
is I'm just curious, the Sorrento Valley,
when we were first reviewing taking over
or utilizing our service to connect folks
to their employer in an MTS region, a service area,
one of the big factors was that this was
the third most important station for us.
Has that number changed?
It's the least used station in our coastal grid right now.
OK.
Yeah, that's what I was wondering,
because you brought some.
I want to highlight.
And I'll be honest with you, that concerns me.
Yeah, well, I want to highlight, because I took note of that,
that you said that you were talking about potentially
eliminating it altogether.
In fact, the conversation we had internally
was should it move somewhere else.
And the reason we didn't do that was because of UCSD.
We feel a strong sense of partnership with UCSD.
They stepped up to the table and almost tripled
the cost they're paying per student
to have our service in the area,
in addition to the work that they do
with MTS on the blue line.
If every single person that took the Coaster Connection
stopped riding the Coaster today,
it would be like 1% of our coastal ridership.
Yeah.
Okay, I mean, that's a significant change for it
to have gone from our third most utilized station
to now being very underutilized,
but I do appreciate that there's a consideration
of this promise that we have to students
and to specifically UCSD and the fact that they are
upping the amount that the students are paying, right,
and the students have elected to do so.
I think that's really critical,
but I am really shocked at just in a few years,
the difference and it makes sense
because I've been seeing the coaster ridership trends
and you've talked about it to us,
you know, and shown us that the weekend
is when we're seeing a lot more ridership.
And so yeah, I just, I find that really interesting
and I just had to kind of dig in a little bit more,
but okay.
With that, I am just gonna make a motion
to approve staff's recommendation, thanks.
Okay, thank you, board member Contreras.
Do you have a comment?
Second.
Oh, okay, there's a second.
I know that board member Shin had indicated
that you had some comments.
Just a couple questions.
Okay, but we do have a motion and a second,
but we'll continue the comments and questions.
I'll keep it, I'll be quick just because,
but you're saying sand egg a lot.
I felt my whole body on fire because I'm on the board.
So I just want to confirm.
So MTS kind of failed to be able to pencil this out
and they transferred this over to NCTD.
Yeah, I think to Director Contreras' point,
it was a very highly utilized station.
And so it was advantageous for MTS to run the service
with us providing some subsidy to us
because it allowed them to transfer
to other pieces of their network.
think when the pandemic happened and the ridership dropped, MTS realized pretty
quickly that they were having to foot more of the bill than we were willing to
subsidize. I think we were we're at like 350,000 something like that in that
range. Yeah, we were in the 350,000 range and it was costing them and we
expanded it actually. So what they were running was actually costing a little
under a million dollars, so they said I won't do this anymore. We picked it up
because we did feel a sense of obligation to some of the coaster riders
but it just is not we've just not seen this rise in ridership we have not seen
this resurgence to that coaster station these routes and I think that's been a
critical driver for us. And then like kind of the description you were saying
earlier when you were answering previous questions it almost seems like your tone
as saying that if we allocate a bunch of resources into this we may fail an
overall program across the board for North County yeah I think I think this
is just my perspective we're seeing this very stagnant sales tax scenario like
our revenues are very flat I mean we're seeing enough of an increase in revenues
to essentially cover our increasing cost every year and I think we have some
really great opportunities for our NCTD plus in Fallbrook,
NCTD plus an ocean side, changes or deviations
to some of our routes.
The weekend service is actually an addition.
It's not really a subtraction.
It's adding service to routes on Sundays
and providing continuity on weekends
where we just have one schedule.
So whoever works that shift on Saturday
doesn't have to worry about whether or not
that bus is canceled early on Sunday.
That money essentially could be designated
to future projects that we're doing here
or some type of a change in service in our service grid.
And so, for me financially, that's where I'm at.
It's not that I lack the compassion
for the riders that are in that area.
I absolutely do, and I'm gonna work to fight for them
in other areas that we hold seats.
Gotcha.
One thing I noticed when I was looking at MTS
is the reports that they provide annually and monthly.
They have something called a policy 42
performance monitoring report,
and it had an annual route statistic.
in that statistic it showed cost per passenger
and then subsidized cost per route per passenger.
I didn't see that on our website
and I'm just wondering like in these reports
it would almost be nice when you're sitting there
and you want to take your blood pressure medications
because the costs are getting so high
and we are subsidizing and maybe we can't provide
these routes and we have to shift money.
Those metrics would be great to see on these reports
when being received so we can feel that with you guys.
As opposed to just this, oh, yeah,
this is stressful for us.
But if we're seeing it truly not pencil,
then we need to get creative, in my personal opinion.
And so when you do market SAND AG,
we can have a good pragmatic conversation.
I've mentioned to the board before,
but we're getting a little closer.
We recently, about a year ago,
started a business intelligence department.
Never had that here before.
And we've always had that statistical data,
but just not available to the public.
I know our website is interesting sometimes.
I want to give our marketing team a big round of applause
because they're dealing with a third party
and I think they've done a phenomenal job
trying to make sure that things are where they need to be.
Our goal is to wholesale that entire website
and rebuild it to the way that we would like it to be,
and that would include real-time mapping for buses
and a place where people can go and get stats for every route,
including ridership and on-time performance,
right there available on the website, almost in real time.
We have to scrub some of the data.
It takes us a couple weeks sometimes
to scrub through some of the data,
but we want to get it posted for the public
so they can go straight to one spot on the website.
We've added a lot over the years.
I think when we started that website,
we were just three modes, kind of moving along.
Lida Galvin, who is our manager over our marketing team,
has done a phenomenal job of trying to take a lot of stuff
that we've changed over the years
to jam it into the website.
And to be fair, I have a lot of demands on that,
and so I give her a lot of credit
for managing my expectations on some of that stuff.
And so kudos to her and that group,
but we really want a refresh of our data.
I think one thing that we heard last year
that bothered me a little bit was when somebody said,
feel like you're hiding the information,
came to the board meeting and said that,
and I'm like, no, it's right there.
And actually, I want it to be available for everybody.
I want our financial information to be available.
I want our ridership to be available.
I want ridership data, trends to be available,
cost for passengers to be available,
how much we get subsidized.
I want all of that available to the public
so that when they are looking at our service
can come armed with information.
And so I appreciate that feedback.
More than happy to share that information.
We have it, if you want it,
we have it, we're more than happy to share it.
I know offline I'll be asking a million questions,
but last but not least,
so in the SANDAG meetings,
I feel like sometimes there's this siloed conversation
between what we're doing in the private sector
with moving people and emerging technologies
and what we're saying we need to do to plan and forecast
in Sandeg for what seems to be previous technologies.
Is there a strategic planning in here?
And then are those things that can create solutions
for what we're seeing?
They are, I think one of the things that I struggle with,
and again, I wanna give kudos to Mario,
I think his leadership has been phenomenal
since the day he walked in the door.
I thought that was a good move by Sandeg to do that.
I think he's been a very no-nonsense,
let's have a conversation.
In fact, the other day he called me on the phone
when he was getting ready to walk into an office
in Sacramento and said, I wanna say this on your behalf.
Will you sign off on it?
And I said, yeah, sure.
I can't, I can't say.
But for me, I think that the public transit industry
has always been too far behind technology.
And because of the way that we have to work
through certain aspects of projects,
by the time we actually get to a point
where we're doing things,
we're either 20% over budget
and working on five-year-ago technology.
And that's not okay.
We need to get better and more efficient
at the things that we're doing.
And I think Mario's invested in that.
And the best example I can give is,
there are all these projects that are pigeonholes for money
that either came from SP125 or some other pool of money
that exists and it just sits there.
And we have shovel-ready projects right now
that aren't funded, that are unfunded,
where we need to be able to shift that money immediately,
start to work on these projects,
and then figure out we're gonna get the money
for the long-term projects later.
And our chief of staff, Mary Dover,
there's nobody better in this business I've seen
does that than Mary.
And that's always been our approach.
And I love that question because I 1000% agree
that by the time we get to a space
where a project's completed,
we're working off of three years ago technology
and that's not okay because,
now we're already three years behind on day one,
on something that we're gonna need
to replace 10 years from now.
Yeah, I bring up my, I'll end at this,
I just, I bring up this,
kinda maybe it's controversial question,
and I brought it up to Sandag,
but it was a thought when I woke up one day.
This guy right here replaced payphones.
We have zero payphones left in the public,
and I wonder what will happen with bus stops
as emerging technologies take place,
where I know I'm being picked up
at the place I want to be picked up at.
And so I don't, I get nervous that we're planning
for something here in the public side
and on the private side that are like, we're not,
we're getting rid of those things.
And so I just leave that to you guys
and then I'll maybe never come back here again.
Good stuff, Board Member Chen, thank you.
Any other comments?
Yes.
Just kind of had an aside that kind of goes off of that
and the change of direction.
you know, look at what we're looking at here and listen to the comments of our CEO about
True Valley in today's case and then I look back at when we basically closed down the road. So I went from
The Palomar station to the Carlsbad office parks
And I just got to wonder if we're spending too much time worrying about getting people to these
High value job areas
and if we need to
research and all of us think about like people who work in these places really want to take a bus a train a breeze or
Or is their call culture going to put them there and do we need to put that money into a different service and I?
Just a lot of these routes that we see
Going to these
What would typically be in a city?
high route destination, maybe in San Diego those aren't,
and no statistics to base it off of,
no data to base it off of other than the fact
that every time it comes up here,
it's a route that we're cutting.
And we're cutting it because no one's using it.
And so, I think that's something to look at is,
maybe we have to initiate, we can't serve everybody.
Maybe we shouldn't serve everybody.
Maybe we should serve the people
who want this and need this.
And that some of the people we serve,
and today at Sorrento Valley last time
it was the clear explanation off of Palomar Report Road,
they don't want it.
So why try to keep pushing the ball uphill?
I don't know if there's an answer that goes anywhere
and it just piggybacks and it's aside
from today's boat we're about to have,
but I think it's something we need to look at
and keep in mind that this seems to be a common theme
just in one short year that I see us repeating a lot
in conversation.
So something to look at before is,
are there areas we think we need to be necessarily
the right areas as far as these businesses go?
I think that's why we're here though.
I mean, I think that revisiting these commonly
as things shift and being efficient,
I don't think it's easy.
I'm really bad at that in my council meeting,
I get in trouble too.
I do, I don't know what it is.
But I think this is difficult for the staff.
It's always difficult to cut services.
But I think you have to be physically responsible
and you need to make the tough decisions.
And it is, Julie and I both look at each other
like those comments are heartbreaking.
So I think the efficiency, the team I think is doing well
and I applaud you and I can feel the pain
that it is for you all.
But I think that one thing that's always going to increase
you know, public transportation is the need.
And I think that the team has shifted those needs
to where the ridership is more.
We have to do that.
And unfortunately, it's gonna cut out people that use it,
but we have to be smart
where we're using our resources and money.
And I think, not to be a Debbie Downer,
but I think money is gonna get tighter for a little while.
So we have to be able to move the ship.
So that's why I'm supportive of this, but it's painful.
No, and I agree.
Really what I'm saying is I think that we,
We look at, I mean, if I go to Shenandoah Valley,
I wish I could remember the name in the coffee shop there,
right when you get off the coast, right on the other side,
terrific coffee, definitely check it out.
It's closed Saturday and Sunday,
and there's not a soul around.
And as are, when you go up in the Mesa,
a ton of other businesses, because nobody's there.
Here we are talking about how to reroute it.
Maybe the answer is, there isn't one.
and people going out there aren't looking forward
and they're happy to use alternative services
in which case we should just get the message.
I don't know if that's what everybody wants to hear,
but that's what I see.
And I just felt it was important to note.
Thank you.
Great, thank you.
And thanks again, staff, for the wonderful presentation.
And I think we've heard from everybody.
So, and we do have a standing motion and second.
So, Suhail, could you go ahead and do a verbal roll call,
or verbal vote?
Yes.
All in favor, say aye.
Aye.
Any opposed?
Any abstain?
On the motion of board member Contreras,
seconded by board member Desmond,
to close the public hearing on staff's recommendation
regarding the proposed service changes,
and approve the proposed service changes
effective February, 2026.
Motion passes, board member Garcia absent.
Thank you.
CEO Sean, do we have a report today?
Yeah, thank you.
I'll keep a brief holiday express.
Starts this Saturday.
I was incorrect in my email to the board.
The kickoff was not 11 o'clock in the morning.
It is 9 a.m. in the morning.
Is that correct?
Even earlier.
So please join us super early on Saturday
if you wanna kick off the holiday express.
Shout out to the marketing team.
That sold out super quick.
Every year that's pretty exciting deal.
Three of the four nights,
three of the four days we're doing this,
we actually have a night run at five o'clock.
So please, please come join us if you can.
If you saw on the email, the part we talked about,
the DOT proposal on the Highway Trust Fund,
I'm working on that.
I'm actually gonna be in D.C. the first week of December.
Part of that is for legislative,
and part of that is to discuss this DOT Highway Trust Fund.
I have a seat on the APTA Executive Committee,
so we meet with members of the congressional makeup teams
and just kinda walk through what some of these things mean.
and we got a meeting with DOT.
I will say I appreciate the work done by Mark Molinaro,
who's the FTA administrator.
We received a grant for $16 million from Bus and Bus Facility
to replace some of our buses here in the fleet,
so we're pretty excited about that.
For anybody who attended the MSPD committee meeting here,
we gave an update on safety and security and NCTD Plus.
Won't go over those just to say that we've seen a lot
of success on our security, really our security outreach,
and the work that our TESU Sheriff's Department team
done.
We've seen a decrease in arrests over the past year, which is exactly what we wanted.
We're starting to see a little less citations and we're seeing a lot more outreach with
our folks out in the system and was really sort of the goal that we were trying to accomplish
there.
And so kudos to the San Diego Sheriff's Office TESU team who works with us in our security
detail there.
The Oceanside Transit Tunnel is opening Monday.
We're having an event Monday at 4 o'clock.
So please come down and join Director Joyce and I at that event.
We're going to be pretty excited to do it.
If you haven't seen it, we went down and got a sneak peek.
It is absolutely gorgeous.
The artwork they did in there was phenomenal.
The painting that they did on the side of the parking garage
about a year or so ago was phenomenal.
I really appreciated the work they did there,
so a lot of good stuff going on.
At the Oceanside Transit Center, the walkway
that we started on about six months ago
that is between the Coaster Station and the Sprinter Station
is almost done.
So now you no longer have to make the half mile track
all the way down to the other side and come around.
It might've been when I came here before I interviewed it,
I looked at it and I went, holy cow, what happened here?
So we're pretty excited that that's kicking off.
It seems like low hanging fruit, it's really not.
Now it gives us another opportunity
to drop people off at the other side of the transit center.
We're gonna get a TVM over there
so you can buy tickets for the coaster
at some point in time, we're working through that,
but excited to have that up and running.
And that's all I had, Vice Chair,
unless anybody has any questions for me.
I don't see any questions, thanks, Sean, appreciate it.
Moving right along, do we have any other board member
comments or correspondence?
Director Joyce.
Oceanside did vote to move ahead,
the Oceanside Transit Center.
I thought you were gonna give that report,
but usually we'll have a-
No, I didn't want to leave that for you,
I didn't want to step on your test.
4-1 at 5-0, so head into Coastal Commission.
Call your friends.
I know the team worked a lot on it,
so it was a really big deal last night.
I did want to ask staff, legislative advocacy season
is upon us.
And we talked last year a lot about,
hey, how can we multiply our efforts?
Because a lot of us actually do that for our cities.
And so I just want to see if there's
any way we can put together packets,
or maybe even do a subcommittee
that just talks about advocacy.
And, you know, that way we're all singing the same song
when we head into those offices that Mario,
so nicely prepared for us ahead of time.
Yeah, I would say that's a two-way street for everybody too.
When we go to DC and we have opportunities
to meet with our elected officials or Sacramento,
we always wanna talk about local projects,
even if it has nothing to do with us.
If you got something that's cooking and it's a good deal,
let us know.
We're more than happy to put in a plug for you
while we're up there.
We've always done that.
Mary always does a good job of putting together
our sort of one pager that has our legislative items on it.
We'll get that out to the board,
make sure everybody has a copy of it.
And we typically go to DC in March,
but this year they've moved it back to April or May.
For some reason, we always go when they're not in session.
I don't know why they do that.
And I think the rationale behind that is,
is we could talk to staff specifically
on the appropriation side, so we really
get to talk to the staffers at the House and the Senate
without all the folks dragging them one way or the other.
We get their dedicated time.
They're working through our projects.
And so I thought it was because of the warm remark.
It is.
I've never made a trip to DC in March where I was like, man,
this is awesome.
So maybe April will be different.
We'll get to see the cherry blossoms.
But likewise, if you have projects
that you think are important to you, please let us know.
I always take time out of, five minutes out of our time
to say, here's things that are happening in North County
that you need to pay attention to.
Please support our cities on those endeavors.
They mean a lot to us.
We're probably a part of that somehow or another.
So please support those and we'll get you out the one pager
so that everybody has that available.
Just wanted to say happy belated 250th to my fellow Marines,
if anyone's out here and are.
It's the whole reason why I came down here.
I was one of those lost 18-year-old Marines,
not knowing where to go, probably taking the bus.
And then a belated happy Veterans Day to some of us
veterans that served as well.
And then good health to Priya when she gets back here
and having her brand new little baby.
I would just like to make a request that the events
that you've talked about that are happening
at various events that board members are invited to.
So we could get an email like more specific the dates
and times to meet and who we RSVP to and things like that.
That would be helpful kind of ongoing to more work for you.
Sorry, Mary, but it would be really helpful.
Thanks.
Also, happy birthday to Joel.
Oh.
Today?
Happy birthday.
Well, I was going to start, I thought we were still on.
Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear Jule, happy birthday to you.
Okay, okay, let's keep us rolling here.
Do we have any remaining public communications that we have not gotten to yet?
to yet. No we do not. Okay great then just a couple announcements our next
scheduled meetings are the performance administration and finance committee
meeting which is gonna be Monday December 15th 2025 at noon and then we
have an executive committee meeting that's going to be on Thursday December
18th at noon and then we have our regular board meeting that same day
Thursday the 18th at 2 p.m. and and I believe that is it we are adjourned
Thank you.