good evening we'll call the meeting to order and welcome to tonight's july 7 regular meeting
of the city council i apologize we're starting a few minutes late we're just finishing a closed
session where there are no items to report just a quick announcement this is our first time back
on zoom since the pandemic so there's going to be a little bit of fumbling our way through the new
format but we're excited to have people from the public able to participate remotely and we will
see how that goes. Also our assistant city manager is um I would say semi chair whatever chairing the
meeting managing uh from the staff position so Douglas you're welcome and thank you.
Um with that uh Sherry would you please take the roll call or just note we're all here?
Okay note for the record that all council members are present.
Thank you, and if you'll all please rise we'll do the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. I already did the uh close
session report there is uh nothing to report for that and with that uh we will adopt the agenda.
Are there any changes to the agenda?
Hearing none, do we have,
I'll move we adopt the agenda.
Do we have a second?
Second.
All in favor?
Aye.
Aye.
And with that, we'll go to items of the good of the city.
We do have one tonight,
a proclamation declaring July, 2026,
as Parks Make Life Better Month.
It's a relatively short proclamation,
so I'm just gonna read it.
And we have both Todd and Sheena
from our Parks Department here tonight
the city of Arinda Parks and Rec Department plays a vital role in enhancing the quality
of life for residents by providing exceptional parks, open spaces, recreational facilities
and programs that promote health, wellness, lifelong learning and community connection.
And whereas the Parks and Rec Department offers a wide variety of recreational opportunities
throughout the year, including youth sports leagues, summer camps, preschool and youth
enrichment classes, adult fitness and educational programs, senior activities and excursions,
that serve residents of every age and ability and whereas the department brings the community
together through beloved annual traditions and special events including summer concerts,
movies in the park, seasonal celebrations, community festivals and other family-friendly
activities that foster civic pride and strengthen neighborhood connections. And whereas the Parks
and Rec Department works in partnership with local schools, community organizations,
volunteers, businesses and dedicated residents to provide high-quality opportunities
for recreation and community events and whereas access to quality parks, recreation programs,
and community gathering spaces contributes to the physical, mental, and emotional well-being
of individuals and families while strengthening the social fabric that makes Orinda such a special
place to live. Whereas the California Parks and Rec Society statewide Park Makes Life Better campaign
recognizes the essential role that Parks and Rec play in creating healthy, vibrant, and connected
communities throughout California. Now therefore be it resolved that I, Brandon Iverson, hereby
proclaim the month of July 2026 as Parks Make Life Better Month in the city of Arinda and encourage
all residents to attend community events, enjoy our trails and open spaces that make Arinda an
exceptional place to live, work, and play. Todd, would you like to say a few words, Ashina?
I appreciate you said it all. The biggest thing we'd want to emphasize is thanking you for all
we're proud to be what we
believe is essential service
in keeping the community of
Arinda happy, healthy and
connected. So we should your
support. Can I say something
that we'll see if anybody from
the public wants to if anybody
else from the public wants to
say anything and seeing none.
We'll see if any council
members would like to speak. I
just want to congratulate you
guys for all of the effort
that you're doing to make
congratulate you guys for all the wonderful activities you promote and support and your
staff has obviously done a fantastic job and you're doing a great job leading them.
Thank you, Todd.
Yeah, just to echo that and especially right now when you're in the thick of it
with all the camps and all the kids, but we get the weekly reports and it's really incredible what
you're doing for our residents and and our children. And I'd just say I almost never read
proclamations all the way through but I was so tickled when I was reminded how many things you
guys do and it just was fun to go through the the vast menu of hardware and software and
community connections so thank you. And if there's nothing else on that item we will go to public
public forum. I think I'm going to skip the spiel for now because we have a pretty thin
crowd tonight, but public forum is when members of the public can speak on any item that is
not on the agenda. We'll ask people to limit their comments to three minutes and they can
also speak on items that are on the agenda if they won't be here later. Sherry, is there
anybody on Zoom or otherwise? There is not. Okay. With no one for public forum, we will
we'll go to council member reports.
We'll go this way.
I just wanna thank the city and the Arenda Association
for a wonderful 4th of July.
It was a great parade, as always.
And we know a lot of work goes into it
and it was really, really fun.
So just great thanks for that.
And otherwise it's been relatively quiet
from a meetings perspective, given the holidays.
Council Member Wolkhane.
I'm just going to echo Councilmember Hoxie's gratitude and also to a special call out to
our police chief, Chief Rossi, for the fabulous transportation in the parade, although we
did feel like what was the line? Chief Rossi and friends, I think I'm quoting the Vice
Mayor.
and the Riley family dogs. We came in third but other than. I was going to ask council member.
Mount Connie. Did we have a we had an infrastructure subcommittee since our last. You did. It was
definitely since our last one. Yeah. Yes. We had it on June 22nd. Do you want to give an
an update or do you want me to jump in?
I don't want you to go ahead and follow up.
Chief Rossi, did you miss your shout out
or did you hear that in the hallway?
We're doing the hallway.
Oh.
We want to reward positive reinforcement
so we don't have to decorate again next year so I'm sorry.
So we have an infrastructure committee meeting
on June 22nd and pretty, pretty.
We reviewed all the items that we're still
reviewing the storm drain survey is getting really, really close. But it's not done. It's
not completed yet. And we but there's, there's amazingly a lot of targets that they have
been able to identify that weren't previously identified. And so I think we're going to
looking to get a report back on that and I'm looking at our city engineer and our public works
director but I think sort of by the fall is when we're thinking, correct? Okay. And you know there
was some discussion still about we gave feedback that we wanted to sort of the full range of options
consistent with sort of when we discussed the issues previously at the council, there was a desire to sort of understand beyond,
beyond the
proposed revised resolution that had come to us previously, there was also a desire for additional options. And so we were presented with that and looked at, you know, a full range of additional options. And the idea was for all of
those to be more developed. We gave some feedback on how those additional options could be more developed and brought back to first the infrastructure subcommittee again, and then after that to the full council together so that
there was a more holistic picture being presented. I think we've done a lot of the data collection and we're getting close to being done with some of that data collection.
and so you know residents are asking what's the next step and in looking at the next step
we want to look at that full range and I'm going from memory I neglected to bring my notes with me
but I'm going to look to the vice mayor to fill in maybe some gaps. Yeah I think the only other
thing that got discussed in the meeting is beginning the process of recognizing that to
wrap this all up eventually to bring it back for real decisions is going to require some
cost estimating of various activities and so I think we initiated the beginnings of some of
that work with the staff. And I can't remember anything else that was significant. I'll look at
Siva and Scott wasn't there. Siva did we miss anything? Full range of options we were that
that's correct we were looking at also you know even if it's not even ballpark costs like to get
started. So when we look at options we're looking at what that's gonna do. Thank you for the more
detailed update. I know that subcommittee is a very substantive one. So I know we appreciate
hearing what's going on. Anything else from? I have a different topic. I distributed to
Linda and the Planning and Public Works staff the Contra Costa Transportation Authority call
projects. I know staff was already involved, already looking at it, but here
over the next few months we have the opportunity to submit requests for
funding for two projects here in Arrinda that would be very positive if we can
find projects that we can obtain new funding for. So that's underway.
Timetable is to, I think the submittals are back to the transportation authority
in August and ultimately the transportation authority will be
submitting them to MTC in October. So somewhere along by hopefully by the end
of the year there's some indication of whether we may be able to obtain some
additional funding that would be new funding to us. So and the other item
relative to Contra Costa Transportation Authority is we do continue to work on a
a whole extensive range of activities that have to do with building a new future transportation
expenditure plan. So there's a lot in motion going on with that. And I'll keep bringing
back highlights when we get there. But we are having a very key board workshop next
Wednesday before the regular board meeting in terms of those activities. Lots going on.
Thank you very much. Councillor O'Reilly, anything?
Nothing this past couple weeks, but next week there are a few meetings I'm going to go to,
library and historical society, and maybe something else I can't remember.
Yeah, I agree. There are a couple meetings coming up next week. I think we have a Tri-City meeting
with Lafayette-Maraga and the downtown economic development meeting is on the 15th. I don't have
anything to add other than what a really hugely successful July 4th parade we had. So with that,
was there anything else? I forgot my notes with updates today. So I was looking at my calendar.
Remember things, but the new leadership panel that we participated in at St. Mary's. That was since
since our last council meeting, yes.
Yep, please go ahead.
There was a panel that it's a leadership class
for two or three days that a St. Mary's professor does.
And I don't know how, but she invited
the two of the mayor and I,
and otherwise it was a council member from Moraga,
a former Moraga council member and a Lafayette council member.
was all women and it was to a group of women and they had a lot of really interesting questions
and they were all very very pleased to hear that we were an all-female council and you know we
talked a lot about leadership and how that doesn't necessarily look different but how it looked for
us and it was a really interesting thing that happened in our backyard so I just wanted to share
that. And with that, we'll turn it over to Doug for the city manager report. I have no
report this evening. Wow. Your big spotlight moment for my big chance. Yeah. Take up some
air. We will see if there's any public comment on any of those reports. Uh, Sherry, is there
anything from the, there is not from zoom. Okay. With that, we will go on to the consent
calendar these are items that are voted all in one motion I know we have a
request to pull item I for so if somebody was going to pull that there's
already been a request on that one that's the safety element update but does
anybody else want to pull any other items for discussion or comment okay
seeing none I will move that we adopt the consent calendar do we have a second
Thank you. Um I'll second. All
in favor. Hi. Um I don't uh, I
thought, um, Doug, do you want
to? I know we didn't have asked
coal if he would present a
little bit, but do you want to
kind of introduce the matter?
Sure. So the item I for is the
2026 safety element update.
We're going to have Cole has
slip our assistant to the city
Thank you. So this safety element update is the first one that we've ever provided to the City Council.
We plan on providing an update to the City Council on an annual basis moving forward.
It provides an update on the roughly 60 different safety element items.
another 14 wildfire plan items, another 14 implementation action items, and about 45 evacuation related items.
So it's very comprehensive. I'm not going to go through all of those items with you tonight,
but I did think it would be nice if I read off some of the ones that we wanted to highlight for you.
And then because we did get a couple of comments
related to this item,
we have some information to address some of that.
So to begin with,
let's start with some emergency preparedness
and evacuation items.
So staff is very happy to announce
that we have completed emergency operations plan training
for all staff, and we have completed a tabletop exercise
in coordination with MOFD, the city of Lafayette,
the city of Moraga, and Contra Costa County, OES.
This is the first tabletop exercise
that the city has ever conducted
while anyone on staff has ever been here.
So quite a large accomplishment and really great
to be able to do with all the partners
we know we would be coordinating with
In the event of an emergency situation, we were also able to complete the highway. 24 median cut evacuation improvements, which provide additional emergency traffic routing capabilities during evacuations.
And we have continued to use LADRIS evacuation
modelings to evaluate different evacuation scenarios
and analyze the different things that we
could do related to traffic and evacuation planning
to make sure that we're well prepared
in the event of a scenario.
On the wildfire preparedness and resilience,
we have secured and anticipated $1 million
in funding for work on the North Orenda Shaded Fuel Break.
we anticipate receiving that money in about this spring ish of next year.
Once it gets through the final congressional appropriations process and
actually ends up on our plate.
We've also expanded zone zero implementation around city facilities,
making sure that we're doing our part, uh, to,
to maintain our facilities for wildfire.
We've also completed some targeted fuel reduction efforts,
along important evacuation routes in the city.
And we published the second edition
of Plants for Fire Savvy Landscape.
This is a really big hit.
So get your copies while you still can.
Supported SB 959 school closure legislation.
This is really important because it would allow our fire chief
to declare a local emergency on a red flag day
for other circumstances.
And then the school would be able to close
the confidence it would still get funding for that day from the state. And we've also continued our
ongoing efforts on wildfire communications through things like Arenda Ready and all the other
publications that we do. On infrastructure and community resilience items, we have joined the
Contra Costa County Regional Alternative Compliance, JPA, to provide additional regional
compliance options for stormwater treatment. We've also continued to advance storm drain
mapping initiatives and we've strengthened the community center's role as a resilience hub
through the installation of solar and backup power improvements. And then lastly on the highlights
from the safety element update, we have continued some of our other efforts related to wildfire
fuels mitigations with the CHIPR program and other items. So to directly address some of the public
comments that we received, specifically those on EV 9 and EV 10, I have an image pulled up for you
on your screen. What EV 9 and EV 10 really speak to is the ability of Arendans to get out of the
the City of Arenda and on to Highway 24 in the event of an emergency. So what I wanted
to share with you here is how the median cut project addresses that concern. So that red
route that you see there on your screen is the standard route that people would use to
get out of the city. So in this scenario here, we're assuming that there would be Contra
so there would be two lanes on Moraga Way going north,
or there would be two lanes going south on Camino Pablo.
The concern here is that the on-ramps onto the freeway
are only one lane, so the concern there
is that that could create a bottleneck.
We feel like the median cut project addresses that
because it opens up an additional freeway on-lap
for each row of traffic.
So that white marker that you see there,
that's the route that vehicles can now take. So now there's two different lanes that they can use
to get either direction. They would pass through the median cut, which is that little green thing
on your screen, and then they would be able to get onto Highway 24 accordingly. This is in addition
to kind of just the reality that those on-ramps can split into two lanes. So while it
is you know technically only one lane out of the city in the event that there's a fatality we
or a concern of a fatality because traffic is backed up we can split that into two lanes and
put people there. I tested out myself this afternoon I parked on the side there and a truck
came by me with a you know it was a big F-250 with a trailer on the back of it so I'm certain
that we can fit two lanes of traffic going on each of those off-ramps. That was interrelated to
EV 9 and 10 on EV 18 and EV 22.
Each of these items was addressing some conversations
that we need to have with BART.
We haven't had those conversations with BART yet,
but it's in our work plan to get to those.
And we just wanna let everyone know
that we haven't lost track of those
and we are planning on working on that as soon as we can.
On WFR 10, there was a question regarding the city's efforts with MOFD on the use of
emergency vehicle access roads.
This is something that we consistently have conversations with MOFD about.
It is important to note that whether or not those EVAs are used requires cooperation with
MOFD.
So really, our role in the process is to continue having conversations with them, letting them
know what our concerns are about those, and trying to work toward solutions that we can
both agree to, which we continue to do.
In fact, we're having a meeting with MOFD tomorrow.
This is a regular meeting that staff has on a monthly basis with MOFD, and we're going
to have that on the agenda for that meeting and continue to have those conversations.
On WFR 11, there was a question about how the city has worked with local partners to
address evacuation capacity and emergency response capabilities.
I think that that tabletop exercise is probably the best example of that.
We had the city of Lafayette Police Department there.
We had the city of Moraga Police Department there,
Contra Costa County, OES,
we had some folks from the community warning system there,
and of course, MLFD, our police department,
and it was an all staff meeting for us.
So that was really a great opportunity for us
to increase the capacity that each of our organizations
have to work together to address evacuation scenarios.
And we think it was very successful.
We hope to have more in the future.
We're just getting our after action report back now
from that meeting.
And we're starting to think about what the next step could be.
Is that a functional exercise?
Is that another tabletop in a couple of years?
Those are really the types of things
that are gonna help us to increase
evacuation capacity moving forward.
That's almost all of the items that I wanted to address.
There's one more question about
when does the Moraga Way bike lane improvement project start?
And the answer to that is we don't know yet
because that project is waiting on grant funding
to get dispersed from the federal government.
We have to wait till we get that money
until we can actually release an RFP for the project.
And that's when we would know what the timeline
for the delivery of it would be.
That's all I had to provide you with.
there is a resolution that is attached to this item.
And the recommendation from staff
is to adopt the resolution
which adopts the safety element update.
Thank you, I'll ask you to stick around for a minute
in case there are questions.
So I'll see, does anybody have questions for staff?
Seeing none, I'll ask if there's
any additional public comment.
You mentioned some of the questions
we got in writing before.
I don't see anybody here.
Sherry, do we have any public comment from outside?
We do not.
Okay, with that, does anybody want to discuss
or shall we vote to somebody who want to make a resolution?
A motion?
Brief comment.
I know we have public comment on this item,
written public comment that we've all received and read
and I just wanted to thank Cole
for an excellent, really excellent presentation
that not only I thought addressed sort of the highlights
of a very dense document in a very understandable way,
but also I think really addressed some of the public comment,
written public comments we got.
And I do think that it,
I like that we can bring this to a public comment.
I mean, I want this to be,
I don't want to have the safety element updates
be a consent item.
I do think that it's nice to have a brief presentation
because there may be members of the public
that are interested in it.
And I think it highlights how much we've done.
So congratulations to all of staff
for all the work that went into this.
And it really, I think summarizes
some incredible accomplishments
And while we have so far to go in this area, we've done so much.
And thank you.
Just a quick ditto.
I really appreciate all the work you put into this and I appreciate how you gave us a nice
summary and how you directly responded to all the concerns that have been written in
advance.
Thank you so much, Cole.
Thank you.
And I just do want, without sounding too repetitive, I want to remind everyone that the comments
about infrastructure. The next CCTA transportation expenditure plan is our best opportunity to
define projects or features or activities that we would like to see funded in a new
measure. So that is really important for our staff to be thinking of in terms of are there
specific infrastructure improvements, or are there specific other activities that might
be supportive of helping our safety element?
And just one other I know I got touched on, but one other thing that I think is important
to remind everyone is that the smart signals program is also a very positive ability to
assist during an evacuation and it should be fully complete before the beginning of
2027.
Great points. Thank you. I just noticed the fire break point because we don't talk about
it as much. It's not as much in our control, but that's a really, really meaningful citywide
safety improvement. Very exciting. I also appreciated you mentioning things other than
fire preparation because we had that little earthquake from Wilts about a week ago, and
it was a reminder that the safety element is more far-reaching, and so I appreciated
your touching on that in your highlights. Was there anything else, or do we have a motion?
Anyone?
One more little, please?
Just what your comments, Mayor, just made me think. I know we have been communicating
about the improvements, the median improvements, but to the extent we can continue to sort
of get out to our residents what we've done and why we've done it. I loved the map you
put up because you showed how two lanes go, right, in one direction or the other. And
so I don't know if sort of, you know, for social, so little annotated video talking
about it or something like that. I think we need to just continue to put the information
out there as much as possible. And I know we've done it. I've seen a post, I think,
about this before. But if we can keep that front and center, that would be great.
Do we have a motion?
I'll move approval of adopting the resolution to accept the safety element update.
And a second?
Second.
All in favor?
Aye.
And again, Cole, thank you for coming
and doing that little impromptu presentation.
We'll now move on to item J1,
and that's a public hearing with proposed amendments
to the Title 16 and Title 17,
that's subdivisions and zoning of the municipal code
on the subject of the Senate Bill 1123 implementation.
And it looks like we've got Darren Hughes
from planning to present.
Good evening, Madam Mayor and members of the City Council,
members of the public.
associate planner Darren Hughes here to present on item J1 once that pops up on the screen.
All right so this is the proposed ordinance 26-05 this for the starter home revitalization act.
So this is um this act we talked about this back in March on March 3rd at the City Council we
provided an overview of this and received City Council direction but this allows for ministerially
subdividing eligible single family residential lots into up to 10 parcels for the development
of up to 10 residential units. This law gives us some explicit discretion to, or sorry,
the ability to exercise our discretion as a local jurisdiction over three particular
items. The first is the waiver of property sale restrictions. The second is subsequent
ministerial lot splits under Senate Bill 9, another act that allows ministerial lot splits
at single family residential parcels and then the allowance of accessory dwelling units
on these parcels. So this ordinance exercises the city's discretion on these particular
three items based off of City Council direction. So March 3rd, we provided an overview to the
City Council to talk about the impacts or potential impacts of this bill and what we
seeing and receive some direction from City Council on where we should be
bringing or what we should be bringing into a proposed ordinance we follow that
up after drafting after drafting a proposed ordinance we bought that on May
12th 2026 to a Planning Commission hearing where we also provided them with
an update on the bill and an overview on what it would allow and they voted
unanimously for zero to recommend that the City Council adopt this proposed
We'll go ahead and go to the
next slide.
So I'll provide a very brief
overview of the ordinance.
So this is, it requires
ministerial approval, which is a 60-day
maximum process for subdividing eligible
residential lots into up to 10 parcels for the
development of up to 10 residential units.
The important note there is this isn't a one-to-one
on those parcels, so there are a lot of configurations
that could come forward in an application.
SB 1123 was effective in July 1st,
on July 1st, 2025, and expanded site eligibility
to include vacant single-family zoned lots.
Prior to this, it was for multifamily zoned lots.
This limits it up to 1.5 acres in size
for those single-family zoned lots.
and then AB 130 came along,
went into effect at the same time,
and it allows a developer to designate a remainder parcel.
And that would be a circumstance
where someone has a developed lot
and they say a portion of my lot
that meets all of the other subdivision map act
and the subdivision requirements in Orinda
is going to be a remainder, doesn't count.
And the rest of that could be used and considered vacant
for the purposes of going forth
with a starter home revitalization act subdivision.
So, five pieces, five big points of eligibility.
One is maximum size, can't exceed 1.5 acres.
Two, it has to be considered vacant,
so there's no permanent habitable structure on it,
although that again was modified
by that designated remainder law
that allows someone to carve off a portion
of their parcel to be considered vacant.
There can't also have been tenant occupancy
within the past five years.
So you can't have a circumstance where someone
was renting out a parcel and then decides
it's more economically advantageous for them
to kick the tenant out and then demolish that
and consider it vacant at that point
for the purposes of this bill.
Infill, it has to be surrounded by on its perimeters,
at least 75% of its perimeters have to be surrounded
by qualified urban uses.
So what this might exclude are parcels
that are at the edge of the city,
that don't have any borders with other developed parcels.
Parcels in the middle of a bunch of other vacant parcels
may not be eligible.
It just depends on the math around
how much of their perimeter is surrounded
by those urban uses.
It has to be established appropriately,
so someone can't go through SB 9, an SB 9 subdivision,
carve their parcel into two,
and then use one of those halves
to subsequently go under the Starter Home Revitalization Act.
And then finally, it can't be located
within a very high fire hazard severity zone,
which is much of the Western portion of Arinda.
So some of the things that we're required to allow,
parcels can be as small as 1200 square feet.
The average floor space across the project
can't exceed 1750 net habitable square feet.
This is supposed to be smaller homes on average.
We can't impose a floor area ratio
less than one for three to seven units
or 1.25 eight to 10 units.
So this would allow theoretically for things to be developed
in an upwards manner more
or occupy more space than we might normally see
because for a specific parcel
because these are smaller parcels on average.
We can't require side and rear setbacks greater than four feet
from original lot lines.
And no internal setbacks are allowed between new units.
So that is very much in line with what
we see with SB 9 and ADU laws.
And then we can't require more than one off-street parking
space.
And we can't require that parking space
to be enclosed or covered.
We can require adherence to all objective standards,
the city wide objective design standards for single family homes, multi family homes that would apply to any projects that are brought forward on these on these parcels. We can. We cannot, however.
that would be a good example.
to proceed. And then what's created under the Act generally may not be sold
individually until they have been developed in accordance with the Act's
requirements. So that is to state that someone couldn't subdivide into 10
parcels and then just start selling them off individually without having them
developed first. So the proposed ordinance 2605 focuses on three of these items. One,
We have discretion in the state law to waive the sale and lease restrictions, but we are
opting through this ordinance to confirm that we are committed to not waiving those particular
restrictions.
Subsequent SB 9 lot splits, that is something that could be permissible by state law, but
we are allowed as a jurisdiction to state that we are not going to allow that going
forward.
And this is just to manage this compounding of smaller and smaller lots because in theory
we could have 10 lots that are very small by Arinda standards and then homeowners later
on could go through an SB9 lot split process and turn those 10 lots in a very extreme scenario
into 20 lots.
And then for now we are prohibiting ADUs on new lots.
So basically every, while there is not a one-to-one requirement, any sub, uh, for units two lots,
any subdivision that can have up to 10 lots on it can have a maximum of 10 units.
Um, and a lot of those units, those units may be the size of an ADU, but we can't, um,
ministerially approve ADUs in the future.
Let's say when a homeowner moves in, owns that home, all of the homes have, uh, been
have. That they would not be
then built out on these lots
then they would not be allowed
to create yet another unit on
these small lots. So these are.
I've listed on this side and
the next slide the title 7 16
and 17 amendments in case we
need to return to these, but
these are just implementing
what I've just discussed. So
one additional one additional
assess the idea of evacuation safety analysis,
what kind of policies do we have in play?
What could we potentially consider in order to ensure
that we are safely developing these lots?
This was prompted at the suggestion of the resident,
Nick Warnoff, who recommended that we create a policy
that would prohibit development within 100 feet
the evacuation routes. Staff did meet with HCD staff. Approximately, this was back in
apologies. This was at the beginning of April and at that point HCD staff in reviewing what
it was that we were discussing and the possibility of coming up with something that would create
a prohibition on development at these lots confirmed to staff that this would basically
be interpreted as a blanket prohibition or an additional restriction on top of the restrictions
within the law already.
And so staff's intent at this point is to undergo some additional analysis in order
to figure out what policies we have on the books that we can leverage and make sure that
We are being very clear about that are used to ensure safe and appropriate development
at new subdivisions, at new developments, highlight these particular constraints.
So it's very clear what the process is for applicants.
This isn't just a free for all generally in these locations.
So we're looking at leveraging existing wildlife urban interface development constraints.
the entirety of Verrinda has been classified as wildlife urban interface, and there are
a series of restrictions and additional considerations and additional requirements that projects
need to meet, particularly related to access, the width of roads, the maximum length of
roads to dead end locations, location of fire hydrants, even the requirements around plantings
that are adjacent to homes.
looking at these series of policies in order to help identify which of them generally present
some reasonable obstacles to just wholesale development under under a bill like SB1123.
We're also looking at using using evacuation modeling software, so the city's ladder software,
in order to establish some objective constraint thresholds and that would potentially look like
setting a baseline, and once you can show that a cumulative number of projects exceeds a certain
baseline of, let's say, evacuation time frames, then we would be able to say we can't have any
development beyond that point. And then we're looking at potential new policies regarding
access management. So Steph anticipates coming back at one of the future meetings. I believe
the target is July 21st to discuss these policies and our considerations in more depth.
So the recommended recommendation for tonight is to introduce and waive the first reading of
ordinance 26-05 amending title 16 subdivisions and title 17 zoning of the original municipal code
to establish local limitations on parcels created pursuant to California Government Code section
and 66499.41.
So if it's introduced tonight,
this item would be brought back to city council
on July 21st for Orson after as possible
for a second reading and adoption.
And we'd come back with that comprehensive review
meeting the city council's other direction.
All right, and that concludes staff's presentation.
If you have any, I am open to any questions.
I'd like to lead us off, Council Member Hoxie.
Hi, thank you.
I'm struggling with the setbacks and zone zero and how close together these dwellings might
end up being because if there's only a four-foot setback but zone zero says you're not supposed
to have any structures or anything within five feet of the perimeter of your home how does that
all work? What would that look like in actual development? Council we see that right now with
with some applications, we see that for ADUs,
we see that for additions to people's homes
and for new SB9 units.
They go through a process of review with the fire district
and the fire district looks at these projects and says,
okay, you're within X feet of a property line.
By our standards, we, in a lot of cases,
they will come forward and say,
you're supposed to have 30 foot setbacks.
And there are exceptions to those 30 foot setbacks
that are allowed in certain circumstances
if the applicants can show that they're able
to mitigate those particular features.
So sometimes what that might look like
when someone's proposing an ADU
that's four feet away from property lines
because, and same as SB9 units,
those are allowed four feet right now from property lines.
And that includes technically
in the very high fire hazard severity zone.
Often that will look like MOFDE
requiring clearance around it.
So just nothing but hardscaping, no plants nearby.
There are additional measures that go into play.
I think some building code standards come into play.
Certain openings adjacent to property lines,
if they're within five feet of a property line,
can't be made so you can't have windows on an ADU
or on a single family home at a property
or very close to a property line shared with another property.
So there are a lot of things that we're seeing
that applicants are having to go through right now
that are additional constraints in the cause.
I think, generally speaking,
a little bit more back and forth
and a little bit more review,
and we're seeing more frequent cases
where someone comes to us with an application.
We require approval by MOFD, they go to MOFD.
There's some things that they need to have revised,
and eventually we get back a revised plan set
that meets some of their requirements.
So a lot of that discretion
is enacted by MOFD plan checking.
So these are essentially almost like townhouses,
but they don't touch, right?
So eight feet is like four feet and four feet.
It's the width of this table pretty much.
Is there any, do they have to form homeowners associations?
Is there any coordination that the developer has to do
amongst these properties?
That I don't think that there are a lot of requirements
in state law related to that.
I would have to do a little bit of research
order to figure out what the law says about what the ownership structure ends up looking like.
Okay, so it looked like to me from what you were showing that the developer would then sell off
each individual unit home when it was built on the lot, but you're not sure if there has to be
be any sort of homeowners arrangement amongst those let's say 10 units.
Correct. We don't see any of that in current state law with SB 9 units. For instance we
have had developers purchase pieces of land and develop a number of units. We generally
don't see two SB 9 units on one single parcel that hasn't been previously subdivided. But
We have seen developers purchase a couple of parcels, develop a single family home in
an ADU on one, a single family home in an ADU on another and sell them off individually.
I don't think that there's anything in the state law that would bar that from happening
with this particular law.
But it's not the only paradigm.
I think there's a decent chance that that would be the most common approach in Arinda
is that developers would potentially use this
to carve a couple of additional lots
that they might not have been able to get before
and develop a single family home on that and sell that off.
That's generally speaking what we see in the Arinda market,
but it doesn't necessarily preclude someone from coming in
and saying, I'm going to propose this 10 unit development
that is just a small apartment building
and then rent all of those units out.
So we just haven't,
I don't know if we would see that intermendo.
There are some implications of the law
that we haven't fully explored.
And then what about the access to the units?
Like, do they have to build any infrastructure?
Because depending on how it's situated on a lot,
if they're homes that are in the back
or whatever, they may not have access to the road.
Yes, we do have, so that will be part of the next session's
analysis a little bit, is kind of highlighting
what those regulations are.
A lot of those are enacted by M OFD's regulations.
There are minimum road widths for access.
There's minimum turnarounds for certain lengths of road.
We actually see requirements up to 28 feet wide,
depending on where they're located.
So access is definitely one of these strong considerations.
we have definitely had talks with developers
in the last half year as the law kind of spun into effect
where the developers were looking at sites
that ultimately they decided were not going to be suitable
just because the access requirements,
the maximum grade for a driveway leading up
to a particular potential home
was just going to be too great to make it profitable.
Thank you.
So can you remind us, I'm struggling to remember,
are people allowed to demolish an existing single family home
in order to undertake this option under this law?
Yes, Vice Mayor, there's nothing in the law
that states that you can't do that.
The primary consideration there is that it can't have been
a rental property within the past five years
in order to do that.
But we see it with SB 9.
Some times we will have applications
that are for new single family residential units.
A new home is going to be proposed
that is taking place of it,
that is replacing an older home.
So they demolish the older home,
use SB 9 to get the new home in place ministerially,
just to streamline the process.
So there's nothing in state law
that would prevent that from happening
with existing homes in Orinda,
as long as they're meeting all the other requirements.
Generally speaking, if you see a home get demolished
in order to take advantage of this fall,
that would have to be on a parcel that is a,
I mean, meeting all of those other requirements
would have to be outside
of the very high fire hazard severity zone.
It would have to be a maximum of 1.5 acres.
and the various other restrictions that are in play
would still be in effect.
And then just a quick follow up to that,
all of the new units that are built, whatever they are,
and whether they're intended to be rented or not,
are they all reassessed at fair market value
for property tax purposes?
Yes.
The requirements, I think you've already answered this,
but just to be clear,
because it confused me with the verbiage.
Infill, there was a term, qualified urban uses
includes single family home residential use, correct?
Yes.
And then I had sort of a follow-up
to Council Member Hoxie's questions
in that part of this is trying to understand
the starter home revitalization act.
Like so you can have, I understand the rules and regulations.
What I'm trying to do is wrap my head around what that looks
like potentially in Arinda and just understand it better.
And I think your questions touched on some of that.
But, you know, so I understand that if you have like a 1.4
acre property, it can be subdivided into 10 parcels, right?
Or even 11 potentially if there's already a home there,
right? And then you could have townhomes or smaller homes that don't touch, but there
was something in the in the presentation that made me understand, and I think I missed this
before, but can it be that it could be split into 10 lots and then you build upwards on three of
the lots, so you build sort of an apartment like situation or condos or something like that, and
I'm going to go back to it.
And then could you then keep
six of the lots empty and sell
a, you know, unit together with
one of an empty lot so that
you're essentially turning this
into what looks like an
apartment area.
And then have just one parking
space required?
Is that sort of what I'm
understanding?
I just want to understand what
I think these are good questions.
I spent a lot of time trying to figure out ways
to break this set of rules,
things that people could try to take advantage of.
I even reached out to some former planners
and current developers to try to get an assessment
of just how squarely can this be.
It's all speculation, but what you're describing,
in theory someone could subdivide into 10 parcels,
but then only develop on three of those.
But the sales restriction component would be a problem there if you have a whole bunch
of parcels that are undeveloped and you've developed the first ones, maybe not that full
10 units.
Maybe all of those undeveloped parcels have the potential to add another unit to them
to get up to that number 10.
You still wouldn't be able to sell all of those off individually to individual homeowners.
you have to develop on them under this subdivision act.
The exception to that,
and this is based off of reading
through the sales restrictions,
some of the lots that can be subdivided can be common space.
They can be open space in some way, shape, or form,
or something used for the purposes of just enjoyment
of the full development.
So you can designate those,
but generally speaking in a subdivision,
those get designated up front.
They're not going to be subdivided in such a manner
that they can be developed on.
But the major control point here for all of this
is that when we go through the subdivision process
and we approve that final map,
we can put all of the standards and conditions
on that final map.
So if you did something, in theory,
you could subdivide into 10 parcels
and think that you're getting away with something
by developing 10 units on one of them
and saying, well, I got you.
Now the rest can be developed
because clearly I made these parcels happen.
But the Subdivision Map Act would limit
the total number of units that could have been developed
on that to 210.
So if they do it that way,
then they're just creating a bunch of vacant lots
that will never be utilized around,
except maybe in theory if that set of units
gets demolished at some point in the future
and they'd spread the parcels out a little bit more.
there are a lot of odds and ends of configurations
that you could fathom with this.
For instance, the average 1750 square feet requirements.
In theory, you could propose a whole bunch
of 500 square foot units and one very large unit
that kind of breaks that mold.
You would not, as far as I'm aware,
we would still be able to apply all the objective standards
of our code, which caps things at 7000 square feet,
or for these smaller parcels
at much smaller square footages.
So there should be a limit on what someone could propose
in those circumstances.
But I think for the most part,
what we would be relying on is that the standards
that we can basically
weight into the final map itself.
As far as what we typically might see here,
we don't really know that yet.
We've only had one application,
we only have one application that is currently in progress
and is to create four lots,
presumably to develop a single family residence
on each of them.
And what I would say my inkling at this stage
is that's probably going to be
the more common use of this law.
We've never seen or we've rarely seen SB9, for instance,
absolutely maximized to where you can develop two units on.
Or SB9 is an example where you could have a developed lot
with one single family residential parcel.
You can buy it, move in, subdivide it
so that you have two parcels now.
You can build another single family residential unit
on your parcel, build two of them on the other parcel,
and then sell them off as you see fit.
Well, the other two would have to stay together, but-
can I just ask a really quick, but there's nothing that requires the development to be
detached or to be detached houses. And I'm just asking because the nomenclature is starter
home, but it could be a starter home, can be apartments, it could be condos, anything.
Correct.
I had one other question, but please go ahead. Maybe. No, um, this, my other question goes
to the issue of sort of the evacuation thought in terms of the feasibility of categorically
prohibiting development on parcels within 100 feet of evacuation routes. And it sounds
like HCD and the staff report verify that the evaluation has to be done on a case by
case basis. And so what I was thinking and reading that is instead of sort of a blanket
prohibition where I can see where that would be something that HCD would balk at. Could
sort of being within 100 feet of an evacuation route trigger sort of a utilization of an
evacuation analysis that included the modeling we have or something like that to assess on
a case by case basis? In other words, instead of a blanket prohibition, maybe the circumstance
of being would trigger a case-by-case evaluation because that really is then looking at what the
danger at that particular property. So that's just the idea. I don't know if that's something
that was discussed or we have discussed this to a certain extent. I would have to defer to legal
counsel on the exact ways that we can implement such requirements because to me it's still just
just a little bit nebulous and unclear as how far we can go
in requiring the applicant.
When you look at HCD's response letters,
technical assistance, their letters to communities
where these types of issues are brought up,
where something, some project has been denied
and they point to this health and safety standard section
of the government code.
Their typical analysis states that the onus is on the city
to make those determinations.
We can have standards in play and we can have
specific policies that identify the safety concerns in play.
But we, as far as I'm aware, the brunt of the work
has to be done by the local jurisdiction to say,
this is not going to be able to meet those findings.
And therefore we can deny the project,
but I would defer to city council for further information.
All right, that's me.
So we, staff and I have been working to try to get something
ready to bring back to the council
and we're not quite there yet,
but we are thinking along the lines of,
how do we meet the standard that's in the government code,
which I'll just read it, it's in the staff report.
We have to be based on a preponderance of the evidence,
project would have specific adverse impact
on public health and safety.
So a finding has to be made preponderance of the evidence,
public health and safety,
and then for which there is no feasible mitigation.
That's a lot of layers.
We have to be able to, on a case-by-case basis,
make a determination to adopt findings.
So what we're doing is we're looking at rules
that already exist out in the world.
MOFD implements most of them that are geared
to how do you protect public health and safety
when you're doing a subdivision?
So that's a really great source of information.
and then thinking creatively beyond that
to the extent we can.
But I will say this is a very, I read it to you,
it's a very challenging standard to meet.
Thank you.
I had two questions.
First of all, the Planning Commission,
were there any comments or questions
that are relevant from their discussion?
No, I think most of the discussion was centering
around an understanding of the law,
same as the prior discussion
that we had with the city council.
that I don't believe that there was anything in relation to tonight's ordinance beyond
a very positively localized support for enacting those standards in order to maximize our local
discretion.
Terrific.
Um, this question was already asked and answered, I'm going to ask it again, um, I, the, that
standard about the urban and the infill use, the 75% felt to me like it was more aimed
jurisdictions like a San Francisco or in Oakland where you've got single-family parcels in
urban or infill settings where commercial and residential are a little mixed up.
A place like Arinda where there's town and then it's entirely residential. How far did you go
to really make sure that those those words urban and infill just feel so specific to not
We are going to have a little
bit more about your certainty
level on that.
I can say I'm actually quite
certain on that one and part of
the reason is because that same
terminology is used in a couple
of other laws as it pertains to
for instance commercial
development along downtown
corridors.
So we've looked into what that
qualifies and I know that we've
had some interesting potential
cases that we haven't fully
resolved where we might look at
and that's going to be able to
do the same thing. Um, you
know, across from Orinda Grove,
does does qualified urban
infill count if it's like a
common open space? Is that a
parcel that could qualify as,
um, urban infill? And while I
don't necessarily have the
answer on that right now,
unfortunately, no one has
proposed anything that would
challenge that. Um. Residential
is a qualified urban use. Um
to a certain extent to qualify. I think there's a little bit of language around what kind of park
that is and how it like it has to be a publicly accessible park of some form. But it's a pretty
broad term that just indicates that something has to be developed. And then for the stuff that's
not developed, usually it has to at least be zoned for that development. So I can look at that just
to be a little bit more certain, but I'm above 90% that that is going to apply to Arinda.
I'd be delighted if you could maybe just send a private follow up.
It sounds to me like what you're saying is it's urban means not open space, but urban.
Because I was thinking of if sleepy hollow is urban, then what's not urban?
But it sounds like what you're saying is it's not open space, but that's the line.
Correct. I think that's one of the biggest lines, not open space,
not a vacant lot that has just never been developed in some way, shape, or form.
I think there may be some other negatives
that are brought up as examples in the law,
but I'll find that explicit piece
because if I recall correctly,
the portion of the law that says urban info points
to a more commonly used piece of the law.
Thank you.
I didn't have any other questions.
Were there any others for stuff?
Okay, with that,
and I'm trying to remember the public hearing format,
I believe we will open it to the public
for questions and comments.
We did get some written comments.
I don't see a lot of people here tonight.
Anybody from the public want to get up and speak?
Seeing none, do we have any from online?
We do not.
Okay, and with that, we'll bring it up for discussion
and potentially a motion.
Would anyone like to lead us off?
I mean, I think we have to adopt the proposed changes
or whatever you want to call them,
but it's sort of a scary proposition
for a small town like Arinda
to have the possibility of this kind of development
which is very different
than the kind of development we currently have.
And I think it might be something to bring up
with the M-O-F-D in a two by two
as far as it seems like they have as much power
with. As anybody to uh, Act on
the health and safety and fire
evacuation concerns, uh, that I
would guess neighbors of this
potential property might have.
Um but I think we should move
ahead. Any other comments? Um I
state laws regarding housing given a very long list of them.
But I would also suggest,
I mean, I certainly am totally in agreement
with everything that we're going to do
because we're allowed to do it.
But I would also suggest that for the long run,
this particular piece of legislation would be an area
that I would suggest would be ripe for us to be discussing
with our partners in Lafayette and Moraga
in terms of future amendments to this legislation
or differing legislation that might,
because I think, I agree with Council Member Hoxie,
this is a very scary proposition
as to what people could potentially come up with.
And I do think it would be very, very concerning
to our community on so many different levels,
whether it's fire safety or attractiveness or anything
that you can think of.
I do think it's really a very frustrating piece
of legislation.
But I would suggest that it be high on our list
for future discussions about what can be done.
because just because something becomes a law
doesn't mean it can't be changed, amended, have new laws, so.
Yeah, that's a good point.
I do wonder, I mean, I was sort of in my head,
as you could say, but my question is trying to,
like Council Member Hoxie was,
play out all the different permutations
of what could happen.
But I do think that what is more likely in Arinda,
Frankly, just because there's a community
of mostly single family homes
and sort of a value placed on that.
And so there's an economic incentive to continue
to build that and maintain that.
And so I suspect that the way this would play out
in our community would be more consistent
with the build that currently exists,
of course, there's no limitation there,
but I suspect that may be the case,
but in terms of the resolution before us,
there's, I, you know, favorite.
Yeah, I think we have to go forward with it.
In my mind, it's absurd, but I'm hopeful
that it will be, there'll be very little opportunity,
but I can't see people doing it.
I'm envisioning tiny homes in Orinda and you know,
that where we have really, really small units, I don't know.
I'd be very surprised, but I guess I also am hopeful
because we really haven't seen the maximum use
of the duplex and the ADU thing
that the worst case scenario has not happened in that case.
And so I'm thinking maybe we won't see it here too soon,
but I agree with Vice Mayor that this is something
we should definitely talk to a La Marinda folks
and see what we can do about amendments in the future
or watch it together.
Watch it closely.
I have very little add.
I thought the comments tonight were really thoughtful.
And I agree that the resolution before us
is kind of a no brainer and most of tonight
was an educational exercise to continue
to really understand 1123.
I really agree with these comments that the reality
is likely to be far less scary than the possibilities
as we've seen with SB9, which was terrifying.
And when I first saw 1123, my jaw was on the ground,
but the more we've now talked about it several times,
talked about it offline.
And I think we don't have any starter homes
and things like duplexes or triplexes
or four units that are a little smaller,
that's maybe okay.
I mean, because a lot of the housing inventory
we're losing are smaller homes.
Some of those ranchers and bungalows,
they get torn down for a huge lot filling spec homes.
This is a little bit of an answer to that trend.
And so maybe some modest good things
that our actual starter homes will come out of it.
And I don't think we're gonna get 10 chiclets
on a single family parcel,
but really appreciate that spirit of continuing
to see what we can do to improve and clarify
and make sure that they're safe.
The fire hazard severity prohibition to me
was the biggest comfort of all,
is knowing that they're not gonna push this density
where it's high severity and they're not.
So that was also, it gives me some hope
that there's a common sense implementation
that's actually gonna be nice,
but we're obviously all over it
and really appreciate the planning department's
ongoing educational efforts to make sure that the,
not just us, but the public understands these state laws
and what they mean, because there's a lot.
So thank you.
I didn't have another comment
other than supporting the resolution.
Eric, can I ask one more question?
Thinking about this, and one of the things that deters ADUs
and other building in Arrenda is the cost of building,
given the topography and the expense.
And I was just wondering,
are there any restrictions on people bringing in prefabricated homes on these lots?
We do not have any restrictions on prefabricated homes. We do have objective design standards
that generally focus a little bit more on massing. A lot of the prefabricated homes
that we see for ADUs, for instance, are probably small enough that they are not going to ever
really break the bounds or the molds that we have within our objective design standards.
I don't know to what extent the objective design standards may take issue with some aspects of
prefabricated homes, but I suspect it would be fairly minimal. What I can say is that for all
of the ADUs that we have approved in Arinda, I'm kind of surprised that it's actually a fairly
small percentage that actually utilize these prefabricated homes. And one of the biggest
reasons is building pads. Most people are developing these smaller homes in the spare
space that they have and the spare lots that, you know, just have been difficult to develop.
When you look, for instance, at the list of lots that are vacant right now in Arinda,
they're the ones that have sat the longest, generally speaking, because they're very difficult
to build upon. And so prefabricated, prefabricated manufactured homes benefit from being able
to just slap them on a pretty simple slab on grade configuration. And usually that aspect makes it
so that it is not as affordable as you might hope. So we don't see them frequently, which is not to
say that we won't see them. It's just it's not a common practice. Thank you. I just may I just
want to thank you for your comments because I think you know I when we think about building
more duplexes or condos, which we very much need in a render.
We think about putting them downtown or closer to downtown
because it's closer to transit, walkability, sustainability,
and fire, evacuation, right?
But the reality is we do need those.
And so let's all hope that this is implemented
in a way that makes sense in our community to the extent it is.
So there's a good reminder that maybe that will happen.
Thank you.
have a motion or any further comments? I so move. I'll second. All in favor? Aye. And with that we
are unanimously approved on ordinance 2605 and to come back at a, I guess our next meeting.
And with that we have policy matter K1 which is an overview of our proclamation practices
looks like Cole's gonna present, thank you.
Thank you, Mayor, members of council.
So at the April 21st, 2026 meeting,
the city council was reviewing updates
to their council rules and procedures,
at which time it was requested that staff
do a comparative analysis of how other communities
go about issuing their proclamations.
So I got to do a fun exercise
where I called some of the clerks around
Contra Costa County and some other neighboring areas
and asked them, what do you do?
And so we came up with a lovely table
that details how Arinda compares
to some of the other communities here.
I'm gonna go through some of the things
in this table here in a moment,
but before I do, I did wanna briefly state
that there is no recommendation from staff on this item.
this is information only.
I think one of the things that I learned from this exercise
is just about every single city does their proclamations
in a little bit different of a way.
And most of them have tailored them over time
in a way that fits best for what they want them to.
And if council wants to issue any direction to staff
at the end of this presentation and your discussion
about how you would like to update the council rules
to best fit the things that you would like to achieve.
You are certainly in your power and rights to do so.
And if that's the case,
then we would bring back a resolution
to update your council rules at a future meeting.
So there are a few different categories
when we're talking about proclamations.
The first of those is approval method.
And what we found was some communities
approved their proclamations on a case by case basis.
So for example, Parks and Rec Month comes up,
either the city council or the mayor or staff
would take a look at that one as an individual basis
and decide whether or not to approve it or not.
Other cities, what they do is they have a big long list
of all the proclamations that they plan
on adopting throughout the calendar year.
and then they'll adopt that list all at one time.
So a couple of different flavors there.
Then the approval authority was another thing
that we looked at.
Again, it's very different.
Some the approval authority is by council.
Some it's by the mayor.
Others it's by the council and the mayor,
which is what we have here in the city of Arenda.
And in other places, it's the mayor,
but they've designated that authority to someone else,
like the city manager,
or it's specifically called out in the rules
that the city manager is responsible
for determining what proclamations are issued.
So again, a lot of different ways on deciding
who gets to say yes or no to any one proclamation.
When it comes to initiating proclamations,
we found, again, a lot of differences here.
Individual council members in some communities
were able to propose a proclamation
and others the request had to come from the public
and others, the request had to come from a board
or a commission.
So a variety of methods there.
And then when we're talking about actually awarding
the proclamations, again, a lot of different ways to do it.
Some just issue the resolution.
Some have a public presentation that may entail
a reading of the resolution.
Some just have the mayor read the resolution.
Others will have it rotate from counselor to counselor.
And then in the town of Moraga,
they have a councilor read one of the whereas's
and then it goes to the next councilor
to read the next whereas and so on and so forth.
And then in other communities,
they won't do the presentation
at the city council meeting at all.
They'll only do them at a specific event
related to the proclamation,
or they'll just mail the proclamation
and that will be that.
but there's, again, just so many different ways,
so many different options for the council to consider here.
No staff recommendation.
With that brief overview of everything that we found,
I'll turn the meeting back over to the mayor.
I guess, first we'll open it for questions
or to see if, I believe it was Council Member Raukani's
initiative to bring this up.
So to see if there aren't questions,
if you'd like to lead off your thoughts.
I don't have questions, I do have six things thoughts,
but let's get public comment first, sir.
Other questions?
Yeah, are there any questions from the council?
Vice Mayor Chiu, is that a question?
I was just looking at the list of cities,
Colin, I guess the question I would have
and I'd have to study the chart a little bit longer is,
is there any usual difference?
And I say usual in quotes,
given that it can be different everywhere
between a city that has a directly elected mayor
versus our situation of a rotating mayor,
which many cities also have.
But some cities on that list
do have a directly elected mayor.
I was just curious whether you spotted any differences
in that regard.
I did not.
It's a great question.
And I didn't think about it.
I wasn't really looking for it.
So I don't have a great answer for you, unfortunately.
Well, interestingly, looking at this list,
it doesn't seem to make a ton of sense to me.
But Dublin has a directly elected mayor
and gives approval authority to the council.
And the other, Sam Ramon does, right?
So I don't know that that helps us in our analysis
based on this list, but it's a good question.
It's a great point.
If there aren't further questions,
I'll see if we have anyone from the public
who would like to speak.
I don't see anybody, or speaker cards.
And we do not have anyone online.
Great, so we'll bring it back up.
I guess if I'm gonna call on you,
if you do have some remarks, please start.
Yeah, I did have matters initiated on this
and suggested it just because I wanted to see
how other cities were doing this.
And as it's even more all over the place
than I had previously thought it might be,
but thank you for all the information.
I mean, I do think, and what I had heard is that there are
some, you know, and just sort of ad hoc talking
to council members from other jurisdictions.
what I'd heard is that sometimes there are certain
sort of hybrid practices, right?
At certain jurisdictions and some jurisdictions
do have sort of certain proclamations that are set
that they just issue every year, right?
And then others that are kind of come up, right?
And you want, and so in reading all this,
I personally, I did find it helpful and I could sort of just jump to sort of what I, what I thought is, you know, what, what I would love to look at possibly as sort of a hybrid approach in practice.
And I don't even know if the language would need to change so much, but it would be more in practice, but something like, you know, the city's
According to our language, the city council issues
proclamations on behalf of the city council or can.
We typically don't, we've done that a little bit,
but not always, but, and I'm looking at our city attorney
for affirmation if that's the case,
but I could see us having, what I'd like to do is sort of
look at, you know, over the past, you know, a couple years,
what are the proclamations we've issued, right?
And some, cause some of them I think historically,
more or less we've issued in the last few years.
And what I personally favor is if we had a short list
of some that we generally issue every year
or have for at least the past few years.
And then have that be something
that the full council sort of votes and approves.
And then beyond that, also have discretion
for the city mayor to work with the city clerk
or for, you know, to issue proclamations,
cause like, I don't know if we had issued the one about,
that was issued today,
but I really liked it about the parks, you know,
and so, and I know we've had every year,
there's some that come on and some that drop off
and sometimes there's public requests.
I remember the, you know,
Daughters of American Revolution asked us for one last year
to Anna Rosa Parks,
because it went with an exhibit they were doing.
And so you want the flexibility to do that.
Sometimes they're asked for in conjunction
with an opening of a facility or a church
or something like that,
and we want the flexibility to do that.
So I want to retain the flexibility and discretion,
but it is important to me that there's a few
that we issue every year.
And so that's sort of where I was coming from.
what I'd love to see is sort of what that list is and maybe hopefully we can all agree on that.
I don't really, it was kind of interesting for the staff report because I was sort of
thinking of approval but it was interesting to see the range in terms of initiating proclamations
and awarding and even eligibility guidelines. Frankly the guidelines that were sort of in the
staff report. I think in practice we kind of follow those in ARINDA. You know and I'm really,
you know, I don't feel the need to have any guardrails around initiating proclamations or
any of that. I think the status quo on that and awards and what is read and what isn't read,
I favor the discretion there because sometimes you have a really long meeting and
you know if there's no one there it doesn't make sense to read two pages of a proclamation
and then sometimes you don't want to read it at all or just announce it and and I think that um
you know so I want a lot of flexibility but there's just certain ones I want to
see issued every year and one question I actually did have on that is if would that require the
city council to reconsider that every year or is it something you can just consider once and say
these are the proclamations if the city council wanted to these are the proclamations that we
would be issuing, and those would continue to be issued annually unless and until the
City Council did otherwise.
Yes, I think that would be one way to structure it.
Okay.
Right?
So let's say if that's the direction you want to go, you would ask the City Manager to bring
back a list of all the proclamations that have been issued repeatedly, and then the
whole Council would say, yes, we approve these or take these off the list.
that. If you're working with
the council and then if you
wanted to change that, you
would say, you know, somebody
on the council would initiate
a matter to change the list or
you could have it be an annual
process. That seems like a
common practice as well.
Okay. So I have said everything
I think about this right now.
So I want to have for my
colleagues. Thank you for
hearing me. So where, where,
we don't have a master list, then we may be dropping honoring some organization that
is deserving and we just goofed and we missed it. Or it wasn't a priority for the current
mayor and that kind of thing. You're interested in making sure no one is missing out? Or do
you want to just know and have it all organized and structured?
there are some that I think in most years we do issue regularly. And so I think I would like to,
you know, and I think some of those, some of those, like, I don't, I don't frankly remember
exactly which proclamations we issued this year in which we didn't. Like, I know the drive we've
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if we issued African American Heritage Month or AAPI Heritage
Month.
I think we did one and we did the other or, you know, so I don't remember exactly which
ones but I think it would make sense to make sure that certain ones that we do every year
are just standardized because, you know, we've done them and it's important to me that they
continue to be issued.
So I like to keep things simple, and I don't know if this is making it more stuff.
And if you could just have this thought process or this responsibility fall on the mayor's
shoulders that he or she would look at what's been done in the last four years and what
are the patterns and are these the things I want to do this year?
I thought we didn't do African American Heritage Month.
I thought it was a certificate of appreciation.
Okay.
I was going to jump in and I'm just going to air it, because it's a thing.
Councilmember Balcony is frustrated because I used the mayor's discretion to not do formal
proclamations, but to agendize and do items for the good of the city for the racial
acknowledgements, rather than making it a proclamation in a thing.
our meetings get so long and I felt that those were not specific to Irinda but they were
important and so I wanted to make sure that they were agendized that we could say words
that people who had anything to say about it could say something and if anybody had
asked for a proclamation I would have done one but none of those did we have them so
and just so those of you who haven't been mayor yet when you first become mayor the
the clerk gives you a list of all the proclamations
for the last two years.
So you get to see all the ones and choose for yourself
which ones you want to keep.
And that's why we always do Black History Month,
Asian American Pacific Islander, Pride Month.
We always do the same ones,
but we've never done Hispanic heritage
and we've never done Arab heritage.
So I looked up,
what are the standard national recognition months?
and we added them this year,
but I do them as items for the good of the city
and that was my style choice.
What I've been doing as mayor,
and again, what I said when we brought this up
is I think it's kind of fun for the mayor's style
that they can do a bazillion proclamations or very few.
And I do think it's very important
to maintain those traditions
and to make them agendized matters,
but I have chosen not to do a written proclamation.
And so I think that was what prompted this group discussion.
A quick thought is I do think the mayor
working with the city manager and city clerk
is a pretty good system because you get a two year review,
you get to put your own thought into it.
And I really don't wanna institutionalize it
because there were a lot of diseases
that come on and then go off.
And I feel like it's gonna be like the tax code
where if we have a public thing, nobody wants to say,
are we really doing American Heart Month?
Are we really doing this breast cancer,
but not ovarian cancer?
Like, I don't think those are easy conversations
to have on the dais.
And the mayor working with the city manager
can make those small adjustments over time.
And anybody can suggest a proper, I've never had anybody,
I have not initiated any
except picking up to those two racial groups
that I realized we had never done.
And the city council members to my knowledge
have not initiated any during my mayor year,
but the public does a lot.
And I actually like it even being able to do
private businesses because like Safeway or grand openings,
it's nice doing those private proclamations
that never hit the agenda.
And I think that's a nice bifurcated system
to have the mayor can do direct private proclamations
to anybody who would like to celebrate something, why not?
But the ones that make it to the meeting
are generally always done in consultation
with the city manager and consistent with prior traditions
and a certain respect for specificity to Arinda.
So I'm sort of proud of, but that was,
as a first time mayor, I really struggled with it
and put a lot of thought into it,
trying to get that right balance.
And so I think it's a great conversation to have.
I'm. Thank you. And I do appreciate the discretion of the mayor and that being part of the role of mayor under this rotating mayor system we have an arena.
I was surprised when I first joined the City Council because it's a very different way of doing proclamations than the school board does.
school board does have a list of annual proclamations and they try to go through and pick out the
different things every month that they feel are important and relevant to the work of
the school board. And then the council approves the school board in that instance approves
the wording of the proclamation and then they read the proclamation and there's a vote on
it. So at my first meeting, there was a proclamation and I said, why aren't we going to vote? Because
that's what I was used to always having happen.
And there've been an instance or two
where I personally didn't like the wording
of a proclamation or two that we've issued,
but the way we do it here,
that isn't something that there's ever an opportunity
to discuss because generally speaking as a council member,
not the mayor, you don't really see the proclamation
until we're sitting here and it's already basically issued.
And so one of the things for the more,
not the individual Safeway type of recognitions,
but for the larger proclamations issued from the meeting,
I wonder if there's some way just to get those
to council members ahead of time
so that they could look at that language
or if that's just too cumbersome an idea.
But the other thing I've had some issues with are,
for instance, we've recognized individual teachers
who have retired every year, 10 or 15 teachers
might retire from the school district,
but some are popular and they'll come
and someone will ask us to do a proclamation for them.
And we'll issue a proclamation
to one or two of those teachers,
but not to all 15 who retired that year.
And that has worried me because it doesn't necessarily
reflect the work of all of those teachers in our community.
It just is more of a popularity sort of situation.
And so I've wondered about whether that's the right way
to handle those situations, but I think in thinking it
through I'm in favor of the mayor's discretion.
I'm in favor of that we're all having something
they get to do that's special and unique.
And I'm in favor of generally not being too concerned
about a calendar, although the issue of missing things
is the reason to have a calendar.
And you know, our city manager and they could easily come up with a list of sort of standard monthly proclamations that are issued, but I think we'd find it's very long and once you start looking at that you start, you don't want to offend anyone, the whole idea with proclamations is to make
people feel good and to honor what good work is going on in our city and I really like to keep them closely relevant to the work in Arinda.
I don't want to see our council acting on larger national or international type of issues, I think it's really important that we focus on what's important to Orinda in the work that we do. So those are the thoughts I've had with this, because I just have this comparison to a different way of doing it, which has been one of the main differences I've seen between our council and the school board.
So I'm not advocating any frankly, a detailed review like that. Right. And that's pretty inconsistent with what we've historically done. But I do think to me it is very, very important and very relevant to a window and to residents in a window that we have not just a recognition or appreciation, but a proclamation for certain.
certain things that we've always done,
and that may be, frankly, like 10 items.
And beyond that, there can be discretion,
because you can't have perfection on any of this, right?
But, you know, African American Heritage Month,
I want a proclamation for every year without fail.
AAPI Heritage Month,
I want a proclamation for every year without fail.
There are others that are not necessarily
sort of, you know, racial affinity group related.
there are others, I don't have the list in front of me.
That's one thing I'd like to see is sort of like,
what did we issue this year?
What did we issue last year?
What did we issue the year before?
I think if I had that list, I could point to others.
I just can't do it from memory.
But I want us to, you know, so just to be like,
to summarize and be clear about my proposal
is we have a hybrid approach is that we look
at maybe three years or, you know, as a sample set.
and identify whether they're at least look to see
whether there's similarities or certain things
that there's a frankly, I'm hoping it would be a consensus
or that these are things we wanna do every year invariably
because they really, to me, there is a huge difference
between issuing a proclamation for something like that
and issuing simply recognition and appreciation.
I understand the intent is there,
that it's, you know, it is really important.
It's sort of, and it's something
that I feel very strongly about.
So that's what I'm suggesting.
I'm going to challenge that,
only because we've talked about this privately,
so I know that there's no hurt feelings,
but I don't see that distinction,
and I see those as national holidays and recognitions,
and the fact that we take a moment
to appreciate every racial group
and certain other things like we do Pride Month,
there was one year we did transgender remembrance,
but we only did it that one year.
I do, I have been a stand by my tax code comment.
It is darn near impossible to call the lit,
we will only ever add,
it is going to be almost impossible to subtract
and I really do like the mayor's judgment
given that the mayor is given that two or three year list
so that they can really make a reasoned, thoughtful decision
and not just stumble it,
because I do think that's why we missed
the entire Hispanic category.
For the four years I've been on council,
because we just hadn't done it
and nobody thought to look for what we had omitted.
So, you know, I think that's a, it's a good discipline.
I don't have that same distinction
between proclamations and certificates.
And I'm again, I really invite
the group's additional feedback.
We just have a difference of opinion.
I'll just, okay, I'll chime in on that one thing.
A certificate of appreciation is something you give someone
when they win a trophy or win a prize or do, you know,
a kid wins a baseball tournament, right?
And it is not something you give someone for their heritage
because it's not like you choose to.
It doesn't make sense.
It's not a certificate, here's why.
The policies and procedures manual requires a writing
in order to agendize it.
So I wanted to just make it an item for the good of the city
so that we could say, you know, so what was important,
we needed a writing.
And so it was a certificate recognizing
that holiday in Arinda.
So, because I know like in Muraga,
it was a thing that they didn't recognize Juneteenth
in Muraga.
And so that was a whole event
that they changed their policy on.
So I think I just wanted to recognize a national holiday
specifically in Arinda so we could talk about it.
But I agree, it was not meant to be an award.
it was uh an accommodation to our policies well if i'm the only one who wants this i mean here's
a question with our current policy can i did not understand that council members could make
initiate proposals about proclamations i never understood that till today so you can initiate
to place any matter on a future agenda so if you would like to place a proclamation on a future
agenda you make the motion get a second majority vote it'll be placed on the next agenda for
the entire council to consider so if you want but you can't issue them as an individual council
member no okay only the mayor can issue proclamations and similar uh in their own name not on behalf of
the whole council so that i think that's clear to everybody when the mayor initiate when the mayor
issues these proclamations and places them on items for the good of the of the city
what's different than the school board situation. That's what's different than the school board
situation is this whole school board would give a proclamation as opposed to it just coming from
the mayor but it sounds like what our city attorney is saying is if you wanted to recognize a
proclamation for African American Heritage Month the month before you would have to create a
matters initiated that we would approve and then it could go on the next issue.
no, no, it's not going to be
proven. Then it could go on the
next agenda. But to do that you
would have to know that it's not
coming. I could propose one now,
but right. It was February was
month, right. That is the way
our rules are currently written.
So it's it's a crack. The
logistics of it or make sense.
Yeah, I hear you. So that's my
that's why if we just have
forward the city of Orinda issue the following proclamations every year. And then it would
be an agenda item. Okay. So that wouldn't require any amendment to our current policies
and procedures. The way I read it, it wouldn't actually.
Not necessarily. You just could make that motion.
Okay. So I guess the question is kind of what I'm
getting feet asking for feedback, though. Is there anyone else that would be interested
in that? Maybe not.
Well, I do agree that I think it makes sense, and I don't know.
There's a fine line between just repeating things to repeat them, but I do recognize
and I do agree with councilmember Malcani on this, and that is, especially in today's
environment, I think we have been sensitive to wanting to recognize the growing sort of
diversity in our community, because once upon a time, Orinda just simply wasn't a very diverse
place.
And I think we all know that that's changed a lot and continues to change, but still I
think to a lot of people in our community and our neighboring communities and many other
levels of government, the recognitions of different cultural heritages is important
and it may be more important to some than others, but I think that it's a very considerate
thing to do and quite honestly at this point in time we have a much more diverse community
and I think making sure that people understand that we care about that I think is important.
My first thought about this was sort of what Councilmember Malcani said about certain months,
at least in the tenure I've been on the council, seem like we almost always recognize these
things and we've added a few over the years but I think they've all been good ones and
to me that list sort of seems like I would be okay with the idea of, yeah, that's our
I'm going to start with the
first thing I want to do is
I'm going to do our annual
list and the council approves
it and we're giving it from the
council, not just the mayor.
And then I like the idea of the
mayor having the flexibility to
do all kinds of other things.
Whether it's, you know, public
or private and I think that's
I think that's one of the
think you know it's I think it's good for the mayor to be able to have
something that they can individually contribute but I but I do recognize that
to the community at large even though some of these things seem like you know
just because they happen every year maybe people get very complacent or they
don't think about it but but I but I do realize that some people do think about
it and they care about it and I think and I think that's what we've tried to
to do as a community.
So I would be fine with those being from the council
and agreed to to be issued every year
and then let the mayor choose to do anything else
that he or she wants to do.
I would say I agree with Vice Mayor G
as long as the list isn't too long.
I think that's the hard part.
That's exactly my proposal.
I do like that the mayor has a lot of discretion
because like I, you know, again,
I don't remember if today's proclamation
was something we've heard before, but I loved it.
So thank you, Mayor, you know, for that.
So I would say is I've got a little scar tissue
from our first two years on the council
where we would be 45 minutes into the meeting
and we were still doing items for the good of the city.
So that was the only thing that I was trying
to really tighten up, you know, the duration of meetings
for things that don't particularly have anybody
on the receiving end.
And so that's where it's the only thing
about these proclamations is to not,
because especially the ones that are those,
the racial groups, the diversity stuff,
they tend to be quite long.
And so it's the only thing is to realize
if we bring them back as annual proclamations,
there is the ritual reading to probably nobody there
to receive it through the whole thing.
And I agree, they're lovely, they're really beautiful.
So it wasn't the proclamations that I had any issue with.
It was the time it took in meetings to do all of that
for something that was not locally specific,
although locally relevant and always nice to say things.
So I don't have any strong feelings about it.
I actually really liked that suggestion
about the city council having kind of things
they do every year.
And I do think there's at least for our four years
they've been pretty consistent.
And then everything else, all the one-offs.
But again, I don't think anything's broken needs fixing.
Maybe that's for our next policies and procedures thing.
I don't know what your sense of urgency is.
I mean, that's exactly the proposal
is that the city council have a very short list
of what we've, you know, or a reasonably short list,
I think, if we look at it, right?
No, I think it actually will be
in terms of what we do every year, you know?
And the other thing is,
I think the mayor could still have discretion
is, I mean, this, this is more a practice that we do rather than a change in anything in our policies and procedures. So it's not actually changed in the language. It's just that we would as a city council ask staff to come back with, you know, over the last sort of three, four years, what are the proclamations we've always issued, right?
always issued. Right? Or just what have we issued the last, you know, a list of them? And then from
there, is there are there some obvious ones that we always do? And you're right, I think we haven't
done sort of a Latino or Hispanic Heritage Month one. I don't recall, but maybe we haven't. And I
think that's because as things get added, but that, you know, that might be a good addition. But it
but it doesn't mean we have to do every affinity grip
necessarily.
And also if you have some set ones
that come on behalf of the council, you can always add.
The mayor can always add what they want.
And the other thing is,
I don't think that they all need to be read in full.
Everyone has their own act.
Totally you have discretion on, because you know.
I would agree with that.
They don't have to be read in full.
But I do think if the council is going to issue,
then we should see the language ahead of time.
I agree, I thought that was a great point.
Yeah, we-
The council to issue them, see the language ahead of time,
the issue with that is if they're ones that we,
they change a little bit every year,
they tweak a little bit every year, but maybe-
I'm just-
Yeah, no, that's a good point.
I actually think they could be circulated for feedback
directly to the city attorney or the city manager
so that there's not a Brown Act thing.
Like we're not talking to each other,
but there have been one or two that I think,
oh, no, we can't do that.
know, because through us you would then be reaching a collective concurrence. Even if we don't know
what each other said. Yes, because the result would be the city manager would take the feedback
from each of you and then issue the proclamation with each of your feedback. That's why if you
want to issue it as a group it needs to be on the agenda. You can then discuss whether you like the
language or not. Maybe it does go back to being the mayors and then other people can discuss if
they have I mean either because it sounds like we can't draft them ahead of time right so then
you're ending up discussing it here well only if you disagree with staff's recommended language
so as usual staff would bring recommended thing for you to adopt if it looks good to you you
don't have to discuss it if you want to change it though that would be discussed so there's
probably a bunch of different ways we could do this.
One of those would be if you adopted that list
of your proclamations on an annual basis,
we could essentially have those proclamations already
for you at that one meeting.
And then if you had any comments
on any one of the proclamations,
you could talk about it at that time.
But as it seems like you're starting to get
toward reaching consensus on this,
staff would really appreciate any thoughts
that you would have on how you would like to issue
those proclamations since it would come from the council,
would that still be something that you would prefer
the mayor read aloud?
Is it just adopted in that annual resolution?
Those sorts of things would be helpful for us as well.
I would keep the status quo on presentation.
In other words, leave it up to the mayor to read it
if time permits, read a paragraph.
But it's just important to me
that the proclamation be issued, right?
And that's, you know,
but I recognize the time constraints and the time issues,
but certain proclamations.
Yeah, I'm definitely worried about taking two steps back
and having longer meetings.
In my early years, I thought,
why can't these proclamations be at the end, you know,
when you don't have to make a decision and it's getting late,
but I know you have to with guests do it first,
so I'd hate to see it become, you know,
like she like to sit like the mayor remembered you know 45 minutes before we get going so
that again is another balancing act that the mayor has to figure out
i don't know if you can just say that we'd like these uh the proclamation be read into the minutes
but we'll not do it now allowed it just if there's no one's here you know we're here
to recognize we're here to proclaim and whereas whereas therefore i i do want to there's one
One thing I do need to say, and I say this, and you all know that I really, really value
the leadership up here and genuinely love all of you, okay, for that leadership.
However, it is, you know, I am still the first and only person of color ever elected to serve
in this role and for that to happen only in 2002 is really, really kind of horrible, right,
in a Bay Area city.
And it really, so these words,
these recognitions really, really matter
because they make people feel
like we really do belong here, right?
And my lived experiences in La Miranda
and my family's lived experiences
have been a little different from others.
And, you know, I've talked to the few black Americans
do live in a window and I want there to be more, you know, their experiences,
some of them have been really bad and negative. Most have been wonderful,
but some of the negatives. So, so acknowledging heritage month in a window,
you know, for, for the racial affinity groups is not, you know, or for, you
know, certain things. They're not just, it's not performative, right? It's
really significant and meaningful to me. And so that's why I just I wanted to explain why this
matters. I don't view it as a performative thing. I review it as a really meaningful, significant
thing. That's putting it out there. I understand what you're saying. I do. I felt that way about
I felt that way about the Jewish American Heritage Month as well. And questions. I mean,
I mean, I got a couple of questions
about why aren't we doing that, right?
And it wasn't until after the month, right, so.
One thing I will say, this is an easy one.
During the remainder of my mayor term,
I'm happy to go back to doing full proclamations
for the remainder, because we've got a calendar
that the city clerk and I, based on the national,
you know, all the Hispanic Heritage Month
is coming in October.
So the remaining ones, I'm happy to go back
to doing proclamations.
I may not read this long a proclamation.
And it just, you know,
we've had these conversations offline
and I would just say people having good experiences
or bad experiences are making a 10 minute proclamation
to an empty room is not gonna,
what changes people's feeling welcome
is the walking the talk every day.
But I do feel that you also do the proclamations.
You do the everyone belongs here.
you do the United Against Hate.
I mean, it's an and, not an or.
And it always makes me sad when we have these conversations
and we go there.
But, you know, I don't think the amount of time
we spend at a meeting doing the proclamations,
I mean, I do hope that we can still run
an efficient meetings.
I'm really working on getting us out of here
faster than 10 or 10.30, that is my only goal.
But I will for sure go back to doing full proclamations,
at least during this tenure,
so we're not in a hurry to pass that calendar.
and anybody who's interested in the calendar
can reach out to the city clerk and know what's coming
and suggest things because I'm not,
I mean, other than going over that standard calendar,
most things come in from other suggestions.
And so I would invite any of you to question or suggest
so that even if we don't do anything formal,
the informal process works well for all of you.
And if there's something you'd like to preview,
I think the city clerk could definitely send people things
to preview so that they could then consider.
Maybe just as a next step,
the city manager could send in her weekly update,
just the list of proclamations that we've done
for the past two years.
So all the city council members
could at least see what we've done as a starting point.
Yeah.
And I hope, I appreciate that sentiment,
but also I was just explaining why I brought it up,
but also I really do think it is a policy discussion.
In other words, yes, proclamations
that are three pages long don't need to be read in full.
And sometimes you wanna read one or two paragraphs
and that's enough, right?
So I'm not suggesting that every proclamation
has to be read in full at all.
This isn't an actual matter to vote on,
But Doug, do you feel that you've heard in cold?
Do you guys feel you've heard enough
to come back with some thoughts internally?
I was gonna ask cold.
Do you feel like you got what you needed?
So just to affirm, so the council would like us
to return with a list of proclamations
to be awarded on an annual basis?
Maybe start by just telling us, yeah,
telling us what we've done in the past.
So we can take a look at what they are and what,
but also what's calendared for this year
because we did set out some ones that we definitely plan on
and that will preempt the question of why haven't,
what else are we gonna do?
So, to add that.
Yeah, so we can send that information to you
through your weekly update.
If you did then wanna act on that,
the process to do that would be someone would have to
do a matters initiated, we would have to have the discussion
and then you could then tell us to bring back
a list of proclamations to consider.
I think that makes sense.
Okay.
Well, I really appreciate this.
Cause again, it's a private conversation
that we've been having since about February.
And I really enjoyed making this something
that everybody could think about together and weigh in.
So, thank you.
Thank you all.
With that, are there any matters initiated?
we're going to get started.
No, not tonight. With that, we
were. We will go back into
closed session, which is the
evaluation of the city attorney
and so before we do that, I'll
ask if there are any public
comments. We don't have anybody
here in the room. Oh, I mean,
Oh, on close session with the
speaker card for the club
session. Sorry. Sherry's and we
have no one online. Okay,
Okay.