to speak to the commission on this item,
we'll be invited to do so.
When your name is called,
please come to the speaker podium at the front.
Each speaker will have three minutes to speak.
Once everyone wishing to speak has made their comments,
the public hearing will then be closed
and we will bring the matter
up to the commission for discussion.
If you will be speaking to us this evening,
please be sure to make all of your comments
when you come to the podium as a courtesy
to all comments made from the audience
during testimony of or commission deliberation
will not be allowed and will not be included
as part of the public record.
Now I will proceed with roll call
and confirm certain matters for the record.
Item A, commission roll call.
I would like to note that commissioners Armstrong,
doctors, Hovner and Schmidt are in attendance.
Commissioners,
Marola Oblinski and Gelnick have excused absences.
Item B adoption of the agenda.
Planning director, are there any changes
to tonight's agenda?
I have none.
Hearing none, I would like to move forward
with tonight's agenda.
Do I have a motion to adopt the agenda?
So moved. Thank you, Mr. Hubner do I have a second. Second. Thank you, Commissioner doctors.
All those in favor say I, I, I, the motion is approved unanimously and we have an agenda. I don't see the public forum, the first item on tonight's agenda is the public forum, the public forum is an opportunity for you to address the planning commission
on items that are not listed on tonight's agenda.
Is there anyone that would like to address the commission
on an item that is not on tonight's agenda?
Seeing no one in the room, is there anyone online?
No public comments.
Okay, thank you.
There are no public comments tonight with the public forum.
We'll move on to item D, the consent calendar.
The consent calendar section of the agenda
consists of items that are acted on in one motion,
unless a commissioner or member of the public
requests that the commission remove an item
from the consent calendar for discussion.
By approval of the consent calendar,
the staff recommendation will be adopted.
If the item is removed from the consent calendar,
the commission will follow procedures described
in the agenda for new public hearings.
Item D1, planning commission minutes,
recommendation is to approve the Planning Commission minutes of July 14th,
2026 and may have a motion to approve the consent calendar as proposed.
Chair, it was just brought to my attention that there was a error with the way the
voting was worded. It needs to say said motion with a
the unanimous and unanimous meant vote on which item are we on item d1 for the motion
that was made okay for the last motion move to approve the consent item with the adjustments
to be made by staff to correct the language do I have a second second Commissioner Smith
Second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. If it doesn't mess with our quorum, I think I should abstain because I was absent from that meeting.
Okay, Commissioner Smith or Commissioner doctors abstains from the vote so we have three eyes and one abstain.
Item E, policy matters, item E1, study session to review four draft pre-approved ADU
PADU designs as part of the joint La Marinda PADU program. The recommendation is to receive
a presentation on the draft pre-approved accessory dwelling unit or PADU prototype designs,
take public comment and provide feedback to staff before preparation of the final
permit ready plans. No formal action will be taken tonight and we will have a staff presentation
tonight from Darren Hughes. You may present your report. Good evening Chair and members of the
Planning Commission, Associate Planner Darren Hughes. So just to reiterate this is a study
session fairly informal we're not going to be making any determinations or
decisions tonight there's no official approval for this this is just an
opportunity for the planning commission to provide feedback for these designs
that are going to be going forward through this process as well as for
members of the public to provide feedback as well so a brief overview of
the program this is this is something that we're doing jointly with the other
other two jurisdictions in the region, the La Mirinda region. So this is done in conjunction
with the town of Moraga and with the city of Lafayette. And I do want to briefly just
thank my peers in those two jurisdictions, Cassius, Kurandong, and in the town of Moraga
and Madison Church in the city of Lafayette have both been instrumental in getting us
forward to this stage and we legitimately would not be here at this stage without being
able to have this joint partnership together so they put a lot of work into this and I
think deserve to be shouted out for it.
So this is this program is something that we're establishing through funding that was
provided from Senate District 7 ADU Accelerator Program this was something that was approved
in 2024 by Senator Steve Glaser for the region.
$2.5 million is going out to various communities.
That money is being spent in two different ways.
One of the ways is to create these sorts of programs that provide these pre-approved plan
sets for members of the public to utilize.
The other way in which the city of Arrinda received $35,000 is for individuals who want
to apply for ADUs on their properties and there's a little bit of a rebate grant that
they have access to if they provide ADUs of specific sizes, there's a pay scale associated
with that. We've had that program in effect for the past year and a half and so far from
people who applied last year, we've had the first finished ADU come forward, which I believe
is going to be due $5,000 in that rebate and hopefully we'll see a couple more before the
program ends in September. So for this aspect of the program, this came this is coming late in the
in the in the overarching program. We were able to get to the table with both of the other
jurisdictions earlier this year and decide hey this sounds like a good idea we would like to be
able to provide this for our residents in the local area and you know if any single jurisdiction uses
the $50,000 that's associated with a program, it's not going to go quite as far as if you get
three jurisdictions together being able to pool $150,000. So we came up with a memorandum of
understanding between the three cities, how it operates, Lafayette is taking lead on this
particular project, and the whole goal is to kind of rapidly get these through before the end of
of September when we have to give back any under or unutilized funding and get a City
Council approval of the program at that point from all three jurisdictions so that we can
move on into the building permit review stages. And we're aiming for a March release to the
public with these plans. So we're looking for this shared library of pre-approved ADU
We, I think I've put this out as four different plan sets, but they're going to be providing them as eight different plan sets for plants.
Four sets of plans in two different styles, each with a couple of options peppered throughout the idea is that any member of the public after March would be able to look at our website and see what's available with the city and they could make a request for any of those plans.
that's free of charge for them to take.
They would then use that plans contact a specific designer
or someone or an engineer
to come up with the site specific parameters
and come up with the site plan that would be required.
They would still have to go through the review process
with the fire district.
But as far as the city goes,
as long as they're meeting all of their appropriate setbacks
and height restrictions,
and as far as the county goes,
all of the pre-approvals have been made
so it streamlines the process at that point.
So all in all, the estimate is this would save
about 10% of the project costs since 10% is usually
what is paid to the designers upfront,
which could be for ADUs.
We see them coming in 250,000 to 400,000
depending on the exact build.
All right, go on to that.
So this is just an overview of the timeline.
Again, we're shooting for that three March, 2027
released to the public.
Right now, the stage that we're in
is the Planning Commission hearing
where we're going to get feedback from you.
By the end of August, there is a public survey
that is available right now that will close
and that will provide some additional comments.
We have about 10 comments from that public survey right now
just reviewing each of the plan sets
and providing some initial feedback.
the idea is that we're going to concatenate
all of the comments that we receive from the public surveys,
from each of the planning commissions for the jurisdictions,
and from staff in order to provide the consultant
that we're working with, which is RRM Design,
a set of comments and guidance
to see what we can have changed.
Not everything that we're going to discuss tonight
is going to be able to be changed.
Not every comment is something
that we're going to necessarily be able to address.
But we're hoping to see a little bit of flexibility
and hopefully push and pull on some of the minor things
to make them a little bit more suitable for the region.
This is just a QR code for the public survey,
in case anybody sees this and wants to take an image
or wants to go to that link.
All right, so just a brief overview.
I've got the plans up at the end of this presentation.
I have all of the individual pages loaded up
so that we can cycle through and go to whichever
you might have comments on at any given point.
This is just a very brief overview.
We've got two styles.
We asked for Craftsman and Ranch,
and we asked for Mediterranean.
And so this is showing each of those styles
for each of the plan sets or how those styles would
we applied to each of those plan sets
as well as the floor plans below that.
These ADUs get increasingly large.
So we're looking from 495 square feet to 796 square feet.
This range is generally representative of most of the ADUs
that we see coming in for being applied to the city.
Within the primary parameters,
we wanted to focus on streamlined pre-approved ADUs.
So technically in Orinda,
we're allowed to have up to 1000 square feet.
I believe some of the,
at least one of the other jurisdictions,
maybe 1200 square feet,
but anything up to 800 square feet by state law
is considered state exempt.
They're the most protected class
than the most streamlined possible ADUs.
So we're focusing on that size range.
At 495 and the 510 to 598,
we're looking at two plans that are a little bit smaller,
studios in one bed, one baths,
and then two bed, two baths at 746 and 796.
The primary reason for the difference between those,
besides a little bit of flexibility and options there,
is because at 750 square feet and more,
impact fees are required for ADUs,
is done as a percentage of the size of the ADU to the or proportion of the size of the ADU to the
size of the primary residence and a lot of people really prefer to they will do what they can to
squeeze down the size to get it just below 750 so that they don't have to pay that percentage which
usually looks somewhere in the range of six thousand to twelve thousand dollars depending
primarily on the size of the primary residence. And then to maximize within the parameters that
we set the 796 square feet coming in and just under 800 square feet. So once we start going
through the plans, we're going to be looking the questions that we're asking for feedback on from
from the Planning Commission are these four general categories.
One, the architectural character.
Do these styles, Craftsman Ranch and Mediterranean,
adequately reflect and complement
Orinda's existing residential neighborhoods?
Are there specific design elements within those styles,
like roof lines, window placements, siding profiles,
that should be adjusted?
Functionality and flexibility.
Do the floor plans offer logical, livable spaces?
And do the options that are included
in each of the plan sets, for instance,
there's a convertible studio wall in plan one,
and there's also a porch that can be enclosed in plan three
or two.
Do those provide the right level of flexibility
for the potential users?
Is there anything, do we have unmet expectations?
Are there any features included in these designs
that do not meet your expectations,
or seem out of scale, or feel inappropriate for Arenda.
And then finally, missing elements.
Are there critical design elements,
residential amenities, or functional layout considerations
that are noticeably absent from these drafts?
So those are the general overarching themes and questions
I would like you to bear in mind
and be able to provide feedback on
when we move on to the plan sets.
I'm gonna, before we go to the full plan sets,
I will turn it back over to the Planning Commission
for any questions and then to be able to open it
for public comment.
But these are the things to keep in mind
for once we're flipping through anything.
And you can feel free to direct me as needed
to go to whichever page is going to,
you might have some questions on
or may have some notes to provide.
And with that, I'll conclude my current portion
of the presentation and turn it over
to the Planning Commission for any questions.
Thank you, Darren, I appreciate the presentation
and we're going to open it up for some questions,
some initial questions for staff and I'll start it.
I reviewed all of the renderings
and I will say that so I like the streamlined objective
of having, you know, preset plans.
I think it reduces costs
and definitely promotes administrative efficiency.
So I do like that.
I wasn't a huge fan of some of the designs.
And if I had a favorite,
I probably would say it was more
of the Mediterranean style, maybe plan two.
But looking at that,
I think that a lot of the houses,
you know, I'm in the Gloriana neighborhood.
I think one thing that was noticeably absent
is I like to see a mid-century modern rendering
and or a couple of those.
I think that that's a really, you know,
just very classic design that should definitely
be represented for Arrenda homes.
And I would also, I think that the ranch
is a really typical and common style in Arrenda,
but I'm not hugely attracted to the ranch designs
that are presented here.
I think that they can be a little bit more
either classic ranch or modern ranch that maybe,
I didn't see any, you know, metal roof options.
And then obviously those are things that can be added,
more a la carte features, I'm sure.
But being that, you know, we're in a fire zone,
I would just like to see maybe a little bit more
modern ranch style, modern but classic ranch.
And the ones that I'm seeing here
don't totally move me.
That's all I have right now.
I have a couple of questions
if you don't mind bearing with me.
First two are just sort of logistical or contextual.
One is, I'm curious if we can get a summary
of the public comments.
I apologize if it was in the report.
I didn't see anywhere,
but just curious to kind of understand
what you've gotten so far.
And then second, back on the timeline slide,
I would love to just sort of have an opportunity
the planning commission to hear and update sort of after all of the feedback has been submitted,
just mainly out of curiosity. I understand it doesn't necessarily come back to us before going
to city council, but I feel like sometimes we provide input on things and that it's like,
it just goes into the ether and I'm really curious to sort of see where things land.
So those would be the two logistical considerations. I think I would echo what you're
I'm surrounding in saying I like the idea of streamlining, right? Like I think it seems to
make sense to me, right? I would say though, if there's any way to get creative in terms of
providing maximum or maybe not maximum is not the right word, some additional levels of
optionality so that we don't end up with a bunch of cookie cutter ADUs across Orinda because I
think that really messes with the city's character, right? Are there fairly distinct design styles in
Arinda? Sure. But we don't have stacks and stacks and stacks of the same, you know, looking type of
homes. And I would hate for this to maybe have some unintended consequences. You know, one option
would be, can I add another window or two here if desired, right? I think on some of the specific
plans and I'm happy to give you those specifics where I noted, huh, maybe you could add another
high window up here, right, to provide some optionality. Can you do vertical siding, right,
instead of horizontal, hinting at more sort of mid-mod, things like that. So I would love to just
maybe have the consultant get really creative of are there ways that we're not, you know,
we're not hindering the intention of having these pre-approved plans, really streamlining approvals
and whatnot. But, like, can we make them look a little bit more different than just here's your
four options out the door. The last one, sorry, and then I'll let someone else talk here,
is on the, sort of, to your question about function. I'm curious why there's, sort of,
we move from one bed, one bath to, like, two bed, two bath, as opposed to, like,
I don't know, maybe someone doesn't need two showers in an ADU. Why not a two, one and a half?
Frankly, why not like a three, one? Maybe there's not enough space to do that.
But I could imagine a scenario where someone is fine having only one full bathroom, but actually
really wants three bedrooms in an ADU. I don't know. Maybe that's getting too complicated,
but just thought that I would mention since the question was around sort of feedback around
function. Thanks. Thank you. Can you speak to what optionality people
have today in this program? So, like, what could people change where it's still pre-approved?
Like, how far can you push that with these existing drawings?
Yes. So, we're going to have, I think the general idea is that if someone were to take one of these
plansets and there is something that is not available. If it's not listed as an
option that they can select from then technically they would be changing that
and they would have to go through a little bit more. I think that would kick
them out of the the streamlined aspect when it comes to the county's review. Our
review is not going to change all that much because when it comes to what we
review for in the City of Verrinda we're looking for really does it just fit on
the site, how it's supposed to fit on the site. We don't look at the design
review aspects of this, especially for under 800 square feet. So it's not going
to hold up someone that much if they have to get some changes from our
perspective. It's not going to hold it up that much from the fire district's
perspective, because even though they're going to provide us with a little bit of
initial feedback during the course of this program, they still have to do all
of their site-specific reviews.
The only potential hurdle might be the building department.
It could potentially bounce it out
of a more streamlined process with them
and cause a little bit of a delay.
There is still the post-entitlement eligibility
aspect that's in play.
It's a state law that states that if you are creating
a new unit, then the building department
has a maximum of 30 days for under 25 units, I think,
to provide a completeness review.
So there's still some streamlined aspects
to going through with an ADU under 800 square feet.
But I can imagine that we'd be talking about sacrificing
a couple weeks and hopefully not more than a couple of months.
Now, in terms of options and what we expect to be available,
I think these plan sets are only showing some basic option
adjustments with the interior floor layouts.
In one case, the ability to enclose something
in another case.
What I would expect and what I've
seen with these types of plans that's in the past
is that we'll have a little bit more
to work with, a few more options.
You mentioned window placements, for instance.
And while we may not have explored
the idea of vertical windows yet,
we certainly do want to have some instances where someone
could say, no, I don't want a window on this side,
or yes, I do want a window on this side.
So what I've seen in the past for plan sets that get to us
that are just a one-stop shop of plans,
usually done by a prefabricated manufacturer of ADUs,
is the plan set will show a couple of different elevations,
and basically they're circling the portions that they actually
want to see.
Or the plan set might show windows in certain locations.
And it's clearly optional that you can just
remove the windows in those locations.
In terms of getting very, I don't
know what the flexibility with the building department
ultimately would be if you wanted to say, oh, I
like this window here, except I want it shifted over six inches.
Does that break them out of that pre-approved nature?
I'm not 100% positive on that.
But basically what I'm getting at is we would expect
to see some flexibility built into the plans.
It would be, I would download that.
I would look at it and say, I like this option.
I'm gonna choose this.
I like this option.
I'm gonna choose this.
I don't like this option X this out.
And we're going to need that when it comes to something
like fire to consider when we're going to need to consider
that and have some flexibility for that when it comes
fire review, because fire district is going to have different requirements for when an ADU is
within five feet of a property line, which ADUs are allowed to be at four feet. You tend not to
be allowed to have openings on the side of the home that's facing that. So we'll see what we can
work with to get those plugged in. And it would be my hope that if we have a couple of solid ideas,
we don't see just one monolithic plan. I do think that one of the weaknesses with what we've been
shown so far is that everything is done in the same color, but there is an idea that we would
have color palettes that are optional and hopefully some some cladding options as well.
Does the cladding option include like, what if somebody really hates adhered mason reveneer?
Do I just get to skip that? I think that's kind of what I'm getting at is like there's some things
in there that appear to me to be very specific in taste and some people may love it and others
may go, why on earth would I adhere that to the side of my ADU? It doesn't look anything like my
house that I'm building. We built an ADU five, six years ago, something like that, probably came
across your desk. But we wanted it to look like our house, right? And so I can just imagine if
they're, again, like a little more optionality in terms of how the thing looks, not only enables
more homeowners to hopefully take advantage of the program, while still wanting it to be sort of
similar to their their main home, but also prevents this kind of it just looks very cookie cutter. And
we have 100 of these across the city suddenly. Yep. I think I'll add my request for some more
But.
I would also be concerned about.
The energy conservation rules as far as.
The thing that I noticed.
In terms of the quote, I'll call it the craftsman.
Is.
Excuse me.
So many of the houses in Arrinda are stucco and trim.
For lack of a better term that this doesn't offer,
that seems to me an obvious choice that would be easily adapted.
As to windows and window amount and window placement,
you already covered the fire department issue,
um, the amount of square feet of windows that are permitted based on the size of the house.
And that lead me, led me to one issue of the internal layout of these, in that every unit
seems to have a spot for a big water heater tank, but there's no heating and cooling aspect to this.
So there's no furnace space to my knowledge. Um, it seemed a little bit odd that in the day,
in the era of a little wall hung water heater unit hanging outside the building,
that there's that so much space was devoted to that as opposed to the the heating and cooling
aspect of the internal layout. Internally, I like the idea that the bedroom can have or not have a
wall to make it a studio versus a versus a private bedroom. I think the same could apply to the two
bedroom models could be you know more of a an office nook as opposed to a second bedroom or
something like that would be an obvious seems to me flexibility. And I missed the comment that you
You made about the 750 square foot break point
between what's facilitated by keeping it under 750.
I missed your comment on that.
That's impact fees commissioner.
So impact fees by state law are not assessed for ADUs
that are less than 750 square feet.
I believe it includes school impact fees as well.
I don't know exactly how the county assesses those
when it comes to ADUs of sizes that fall between
for Arinda, for instance, between 750 and 1000 square feet.
But I know for our purposes, we take a,
if it's less than 750 square feet
and we have an ADU calculator online
that allows people to assess their fees
and get a sense of how much it's going to cost,
just by plugging in the factors of their primary residence
and the size of the ADU that they intend
and the type of attachment.
But for us, basically someone comes in
with an 800 square foot ADU
And we say, OK, you've got a 1,600 square foot primary residence,
800 square foot ADU.
That means you're paying 50% of the total impact fees
that we would charge for transportation, parks,
and drainage impact fees.
And that's where I'm saying that when
you look at the second unit costs as they're assessed
in a Rinda, at 50%, you'd be talking about $12,000,
$13,000 most likely maybe as much as $15,000 depending on the exact configuration and people
tend to want to cut down to below $7.50 in order to save that. Last comment on the I'll call it
the Craftsman Ranch, all other comment about if I don't like brick on my wainscote. It seems to me
the trim aspect of this design is drawn is a little skimpy. It's going to end up kind of
looking like something that you kind of, I'll call it the header boards, the fascia boards on
some of the gable ends and things like that. It just strikes me as being a little bit under scaled
and maybe go back and pull a Sears catalog from about 1920 and you can get a couple more ideas.
it. You can have it trucked in
tomorrow. My grandfather did
that. That's it's funny.
Literally, house out of a
catalog. I appreciate, uh,
Commissioner Hubner's
expertise and, uh, and, you
know, an architecture. And so I
appreciate those comments. Um,
my comment is related to, you
know, the design features is
you know variation in roof line. I think all that are presented here are gable style roofs and
you know it would be nice to see just different types of roof lines presented. Options also with
you know transom windows and things that I notice that's one huge feature with a lot of the houses
that are render is that there's a lot of light coming in to the house, you know, from up top.
And so I don't see any of that represented in these rendering. So that would be,
I think, something that would really be appealing to people that are looking for a pre-set plant.
Sorry, just one more question. When this is all done, is this going to be available in CAD for
people to download and potentially if they do want to manipulate it and take a longer
timeline but they have something to start with. Is that an option for them?
That I actually don't know. I'm not 100% positive if we will receive those files. I am assuming
that we will for the purposes of establishing the site plan. But that's something that we
can bring up and figure out if that's going to be available. I think that would be a very
flexible option.
are there any more questions from commissioners or staff?
I'll ask staff if there's anything they were expecting
to hear that they haven't heard yet as far as.
Oh, if there were a specific window that you hated
where it was or a specific wall that you didn't want
or that you wanted to see windows on.
We had looked at a couple of things.
We at staff level between the three cities,
we had considered a couple of points so far.
You know, if you look at the Spanish Mediterranean style, there's one example where maybe a front
door could line up a little bit better with the arches and along the porch.
We were also hoping for, I think, a little bit more of, I don't know, there's one plan
and as a pretty blank rear wall,
which might just be what happens with that plan, but.
I think that's what I was trying to get.
I mean, I have some more nitpicks if you want them.
Specific, we're sorry.
Wasn't sure if we were heading that direction
or if I should just generally.
We don't need to keep it general
if there's anything specific that you're seeing
on the plans that we can provide as a very targeted,
hey, this is something that we would like to see improved
or options around that would be useful feedback.
Yeah, so I do think I've, well, let me go in order here.
Plan one, I'm looking at the floor plan here.
It seems to me in a studio one bath,
unnecessary to have a 10 foot closet at the back.
And if that closet was shifted to the wall
that has the bathroom, so basically one blockwise, right?
shared wall with the bath, you could put another window on what is now the closet wall, let in
more light, right, when you have sort of two windows instead of one in that bedroom. And then
it also gives you two places to put your bed. You could put it on the back wall, what is currently
the closet, or you could put it as it's drawn. So again, just thinking through like these little
changes, maybe it does make for a smaller closet. I realized that that bath wall is, you know,
seven, four versus 10. But maybe, or is that something that someone, you know, something
someone gets to choose? Again, this little bit of optionality, you know, does change the
building envelope, given that it would be an addition of a window. But that was one.
I think, yeah, I already noted that kind of adhered Mason Reed veneer, like, do we have to do that?
from a design perspective. And then apologies I have these noted up and I'm just going through here.
It was I believe plan four and the two-bed two-bath the 700 yeah 796 square feet.
I think it's that rear elevation where there is not a single window. So you have those two bedrooms
tucked in the back corner that only have one window. And I just know from my own experience,
we do have an ADU that only has one window or bedroom that has only one window. It's kind of
dark. We got a lot of trees. And so there's not a whole lot of natural light. We actually ended up
putting skylights in the main living area of the ADU to let in some more natural light. So is that
an option, right? I realize that's additional cost. Some people may not prioritize that,
but could it become one of those? That's a sort of premium add-on kind of thing.
I do think also having like that rear elevation, just having siding is not very attractive. If
you're the neighbor or even if you're the homeowner, right, and you happen to be seeing
based on how this is situated on your property, yeah, that just looks terrible.
Sorry, is there a nicer way to say that? I don't know.
But again, and also you're confronting a lot of site conditions that you don't know what
you're going to run up against. That back wall with two windows could be two feet.
Could be two feet from a fence line or whatever the setback is.
For better or for worse, I mean, yeah, but getting the flexibility I think is important.
That's the point, right? If someone chooses, okay, if it is at the back fence line and it's just
just facing nothing and you actually don't want it fine.
Don't put the window in.
But if I do have the opportunity based on my site plan
that I don't know, there's a nice little view
to the side garden or something,
why could I not have two more windows there?
I think what I'm hearing is again,
part of what my point was as well is this light,
natural light.
I think that's just a big design feature
for many of the houses here in Arenda.
And so incorporating that into these drawings
I think is crucial.
Even, you know, I'm not seeing, you know, skylights,
you know, and a lot of the homes I've,
my friends and people around Arendelle,
they have lots of skylights, you know, it's just,
I think it would really add a lot to the plans
and make them more appealing.
Yeah, and that actually adds one thought
that I hadn't come up with before was,
These houses, even the two-bedroom,
if you don't have the ability to kind of get
through ventilation, some sort of event,
openable skylights as part of the kit of parts
could really help reduce energy costs for these homes.
Unless you're talking about eight-foot ceilings
or something like that and no vaulted ceilings.
I don't know what the interior design's gonna allow for,
but it still seems to me you could create
a lot more options for ventilation
with some operable skylights as part of the kit.
have one more nitpick, I'm sorry.
And maybe this is what you were mentioning, Darren.
Plan for the front elevation.
The door doesn't look centered with the arch.
And I don't know if that's just the drawing
or whether it is actually.
So yeah, that top right photo, the front door
looks ever so slightly off from the arch.
And that looks like a mistake and not intentional.
again, I don't know if it's just the rendering and the drawing, but that would be a good thing
to check. I do want to check and see whether that occurs on the other. Oh yeah, it's the same issue
on plan 3. That front elevation, the arch does not line up with the door. In Mediterranean, sorry,
yeah. Let me see if it holds true. Sorry, I'm scrolling through. Oh, and the same in plan 2.
Are we going to go for a bingo four for four? Same in plan one. So Mediterranean front elevation
arch not aligning with front door? It just looks bad. Yes, I suspect that this is a case of designing
for the more stoic style, the more plain style, and then applying those arches after the fact.
Are there any more questions of staff? Okay. We will move to the public comment portion.
If there are any questions for staff, I will open up the floor.
no public comments. We will close the floor and state that there are no other public comments
on the cycle. I'll bring the matter back up to the commission for any further discussion.
If there is any. Just thank you for the presentation. Appreciate it. Right. Yes. Thank you. And
We are definitely eager to look forward
to seeing some of the comments incorporated
and also some of the public comments
and looking forward to it.
I think this is a great program.
Quick question.
Are the public comments open to the public
to look at online somewhere or do they just come?
We receive a lot of time from the department
and it's my understanding.
So they say it's about the programs
are going forward and things to be designed
Thank you.
Item F, continued public hearing.
There are none.
Item G, new public hearing.
There are none.
Item H, other commission matters.
There are none.
I planning commissioners report. I have none item J planning directors update.
Yes, yes. Thank you, chair. I'm sorry. Just wanted to give you the update in the feedback
that the mayor and city council members really read your comments on the F. I. P. The facade
improvement program and did give you a shout out that your your comments and your questions
were right on and they appreciated and they are in agreement with what your recommendations
were, which was you wanted to be involved in that process and you wanted us to bring
back the updates, whether whichever is later whether the funding runs out first or I think
your other request was funding run now or applications that are have come in so they
Respected that and I just really said I would relay that information to you all. Thank you. Appreciate that. That's great news
Alright item K
Adjournment. Do I have a motion to adjourn the meeting?
So moved and do I have a second all in favor say aye aye aye